Okay pick up the axles & steering box this weekend from a salvage yard tomorrow. Getting the brake kit from AZ, for rebuild. They axles have 4.10 gearing in them. No leaks that i can see so far. Also i'm going coil set-up on the front, not coil over. Looking at 1000 for the front setup, not going to run hi-steer. This is not incluging wheels, tires or driveshaft. I'm doing the work myself, have the tools for it. The front coils i ordered this week are freestanding 22.5 in. I'll be running 38's to 40's, I HOPE! The lift gain over my setup now, should be 8 to 10 inches. I'm running bias 34's now, no drivetrain problems yet, eddie you'll be okay with 35's. Why this setup? Because around here we mudd boggs.
http://media.putfile.com/muddin-36
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v212/Hammertime540/?action=view¤t=Produce_0.flv

nice, cant wait till its done and see it. i guess you will be the first MXO member with an SAS since i cant seem to get off my ass.

sooooo... you're going to take a new-ish $20-$30k vehicle, do a cheaped out SAS on it, and make it a ridiculously huge offroad-only trailer queen?

I'm all about the SAS... but if you're going that extreme and not trying to make an all-around vehicle why not start with an XJ or something that's purely a beater trail rig?

I'm lucky enough to have a place to
let my X set while i work on it.
Also having a spare vehicle to drive
around helps, Oh ya NO KIDS!
I'm going to wheel with you guys sometime!
You just always go on a off week i get paid..
I'm terrible at saving cash.... Also a GF
that says give me, give me....

Have you seen the right side of my X!
Its not pretty... to many tree's, not enough sheet metal. I can hopefully start with a budget SAS for the same price between a calmini lift or SLR kit for the 05. I'll add more and better parts. This is just to get it back up and running. I drive my X maybe 100 to 200 miles a MONTH. I'm a service tec for Coke Cola. I drive my service truck 5 to 6 days a week. So i don't need to use the X for my D/D.

To run tires that size on a D44 you'll need to stay out of the throttle. Even with Chromo's it will be pushing the limit.

What locker you plan on running?

Haven't decided yet.. maybe detroit locker or
lock right. Most of the guys lincoln lock the rigs, NO WAY! I'm still going to trail ride mine too...Longest drive to a park that i like Badlands and that is 1 1/2 hours away.
The dana 44 is what most run in the bogs.
We have yota's and chevys running 38's on IFS.
I really don't think the new X can handle that front or rear.

4.10 gears with 38's is also a bad idea.

Here's a question: what's the real advantage of an SAS in a mud bogg? Mud bog does not require much articulation, usually, which is the whole point of the SAS anyway.

I'm guessing this is more for running bigger tires?

Keep in mind he's talking about a gen 2 X with a lot more horsepower (And I don't know what the stock gear ratios are...).

AHTOXA - a solid axle is actually a bit of a disadvantage in a mud pit - but you can't go any bigger than 35's (if even that far) with IFS

That's true, them bogger boys have things a bit different that we rock crawlers. Still, to have huge tires like that, just to get mud on your roof, seems a bit strange to me.

If I was going to do that just for the bogging action, I think I'd save the extra dough for the tires, and not spend it on the coils, track bar and whatnot. A simpler solution for that would be the leaf spring deal there. Less articulation (or some would say ) and a lot less complicated. But, you'll still have to convert your steering to a regular gearbox. You'd end up converting your 2005 back to a 1978'ish truck, with the ride to match.

And just to run bigger tires.

The next gens use the bumper for the front frame crossmember too. With a leaf setup a front crossmember is added for the spring hangers. This would seem to help the front of those rigs a little.

They are kinda weird looking when the bumper is off. Two frame rails poking out and nothing joining them.

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Very true! The crossmember adding strength is a huge issue as well. With bogging, you never know what's a couple of inches under the mud. Torsional stability for the Next Genners will be key. Especially since I've seen a couple of them loose some major frame support in the name of an SAS. To gain some back would be nice for them (keep the replacement windshields to a minimum!).

I only know of two 2nd Gen SAS's so far and one of them is mine.

Structural rigidity was addressed on my rig by re-enforcing the boxed frame at the nose and fabricating a crossmember in the area of the steering box. An additional crossmember was fabricated at midframe which compliments another crossmeber that secures the Cage arms and the custom skid plates.

Addressing other responses - A high pinion D44 from a 78-79 Ford Bronco armed with 30 spline chrome moly shafts (thank you Yukon), Spicer X-760 u-joints, 4.56> R/P (Yukon again...) and a good carrier (Detroit Locker) will easily handle all the abuse a 2nd Gen X can give it...assuming that the tires are in the 38" range. Nothing is grenade proof of course. I'm running 37" Super Swamper SSR's. If anything is going to snap, it'll probably be a u-joint. I carry the stock shafts with me on the trail just in case. I like to consider my 9" grenade proof but I'm trying to break it.

Welcome to the darkside 8th Man. Sounds like a killer buildup Keep us posted..

Here's a brief video of some club members doing some relatively mild stuff. I'm in there somewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COCDY58kp3Y

He was refering to me. I had a crack along my windhsield last year and replaced my windshield. I wasn't sure if it came from a rock or not. Cyclemut said it could possible be from lack of support on the frame, and to keep an eye on it. However, I have only had this one crack and have only replaced my windshield once. As of right now, I have had no issues and everything is fine. So now I believe it was just an unlucky rock that must have hit it.

That is one of the reasons why I avoided the XJ when deciding on a project vehicle. I just couldn't get past its unibody construction. Yes, there are some options to shore up the "chassis" of that vehicle but ultimately, I decided the 2nd Gen X was a better foundation. I still love those XJ's.

I suspect you caught a rock or some rode debris that cause the problem with the windshield.

Pic's of SAS album.
click the photo to go.

I've replaced my share of chromos. Both in the venerable D44 and especially in the lesser Jeep axles (D30 & D35). Working at 4Wheel Parts has it's advantages. Just too many 'throttle out' guys. Especially for a mud bogger! It all wheel spin there.

I'd seriously consider some more bracing for the next genner. It can't hurt, and isn't that hard to do.

All Phase isn't the only shop to touch a 2nd Gen.

I'm going to brace up the front end.
It will be around the steering box and
another in the front section.
Haven't cut any IFS braces off yet, still
not past the point of no return!

Old 05 Axle removed


Front axle almost done




My GF helping out

I have 100 less horsepower and 35's. Shafts... ya you will pop a few.

Good luck on the Xronco build…

On a D44 the stock ujoints are a weaker part than the shafts. Seen about 3x more problems with ujoints than shafts on other trucks.

Been running the Long Field super u-joints w/ full circle clips + stock shafts for ~4yrs now on 2 different trucks without any breakage/problems on a lot’s of stuff from the Rubicon 3x, AZ trails, Hammers, Moab 2x, Sierra trails, etc. Not much into mud bogging but I'll mix it up in the slop.

I carry a spare set of shafts but have’nt needed to use them yet, IMO the alloy stuff is just marginal stronger and something else is likely to give way; hubs, gears, joints, etc if the shafts don’t go.

For >35’s, mud, throttle assaults I would be looking for something strong than a D44. Pretty much everybody that was doing that stuff in my bronco club switched out the D44’s and beefed up the 9’s with nodular housing, studs, big spline stuff, etc.

Nice progress.

Wow dude...I hope that works...those size of tires will need some nasty low gears and Dana 60 axles....but otherwise, you win the trophy for most extreme G2X on a driveway.

Should be ready for the roads in mid august.
Have to get the driveshafts and brake lines now!

bout time someone did some manly sh^& on this site! keep up the good work!

Meh, the Ford 9" with Chromo shafts will be fine with those tires, and in theory the 44 up front with Chromos will last at least a trip to the trail/mud pit I kid Boondox

Exactly Tyler!

Everyone seems to be on a D60 trip. Like those axles are the only thing out there, and the money for them will grow on trees! For a decent set of front and rear 60's, you'd be set back $2500, minimum, or for even a 14 bolt for the rear. And in my opinion, a D60 front needs a f/f 14 bolt in the rear. A little sawzall action for some clearance and off you go!

But seriously, the D44 and 9" will do just fine.

Thanx for the support. I was going to run it
even if people said not to, due to $$$.
I'm going to be easy on it for awhile to make sure everything works right. Then work my way up
or if a trailer is around!

Sweet! That's what I'll be doing as well. Doing side work this weekend (350Z needs some race parts!) so I can get my driveshaft built. I'll be using those Tom Woods Superflex joints to get the drop I need. 12.5" of articulation, damn driveshaft just can't keep up!

You're truck is looking great!

Have you looked into the tone ring pinion to get your speedo working?

I have gps for the time being to tell me
the speed. I think my warrenty is already
done for. I know i need to tweek and mod
the suspension after i get it up and running.
The driveshafts are going to kill me on $$$

i look at the gps too for speed

my speedo is about 10 mph off after the SAS

Yes, but your Speedo actually works. His is run strictly off of his wheel speed sensors, which are now sitting in a pile somewhere.

nice new sig Allen

Coming along nicely Boondox .. See, XOC isn't soo bad afterall.

My brother and a grinder don't work well together





How tall the X is and I'm 5'10

holy $h!*..

Looks mean!

Tell your bro not to worry, BlackoutX had a similar misadventure with a grinder on Hell's Revenge @ Moab this year

Lookin good Boondox!!! I agree with everyone else just throw some chromos in there. Pick your lines and show it off with some good skills.

BlackoutX... I still owe him some beers for that one. That was my X we were cutting the shaft out of the tube on.

Got some the parts i needed, just don't have the shock towers. They were left out for some reason.

Now you need someone my height to get that spare tire off the roof.

By the way, looks like the leaves in the back are fully drooped. Is that the way it's gonna ride?

Got alot more done.

Hope every1 likes the pics.

Its almost done!
The tubing is a 1/4 thick DOM

Show the updates,


I just like the next 2 pics

That thing is huge! Looks great!

Its Finished! and this is for every1 that
thought i couldn't do it!

Looks fucking sick dude.

That's one mean looking 2nd Gen. Do the wheels rub at full flex?

-JC

That's awesome!! And one sure way to solve those front diff issues!! There's a six pack waiting for ya if you make it to ECXC this year!! Your pick of brand...

When is ECXC this year, i might just to
have to go there for vaction. How long
is the run 3 days or a week?

I think it's July 17-20th. It's at Rausch Creek outside of Tremont, PA.

Usually Sunday is a travel day, so although in the past the park has been available, most people don't wheel.

Bring it out...I would love to see it.

You need to update your sig now.

youre running worn down all terrains for mud bogging?

looks good dude but with those meats..you might as well have 31'' muds

I'll change tires before i go.
I'm going to step down in tire size
this spring. I'll take the BL off
and go down to 36's, possibly even 35's.
So i can get alot of flex! It will
be less stressful on the drivetrain too.
I ran these tires because it was a even trade
for the crappy TSL's i had.

good choice..your dana 44 thanks you

My wallet will thank me to. The Trxus AT's
that size are 340 a peice not including
shipping, taxes, and install.

nice job looks great