Its usually more of an issue as you come down off a steep drop...which can be even steeper than 70 degrees....

The kind where the belts and your legs are holding you back and you're staring straight down...coming down off steep drops to a flat or up again section, is probably the prime example for me at least, where you either shovel the nose, or make it....not a lot of clearance options when you're still on a slope and typically not wanting to get too sideways, etc..

And that would be followed closely by trying to get over a steep ledge or boulder, etc..., some can be more like 90 degrees...and you need to side bite to get a start up the edges before clearing, etc...depending on its height....but, at least if the rear is fairly straight, you can get away with more sideways options for clearance, etc.

So - Hell Yeah...more than 70 degrees is common if you're on that kind of terain (My favorite terrain, actually....rocks....Mmmmm.)



Some of the jeeps that had road armor/protruding bumpers, etc... would shovel badly coming down...nose dive the bottom, and sit there ass up/nose planted...some times with the rear tires now hanging, but the fronts compressed, and no where to go, stuck between a rock and a steep place....and we have to jack the front bumper up, stack, etc... to get them out of it.



I think the earliest winches were all integrated...so, its not a new idea...and at least on the warns, even the remote solinoid winches can use a integrated type mount for the solinoid if you like that sort of thing...so its not like having to use integrated is better than being able to easily use either.



If the Calmini had decent powder coat and didn't stick out so damn far, it would be great...they make really well built stuff other than those issues...the build quality itself is nice...its just the Shrock is already what the Calmini could have been.