This seemed relevant to election year politics.

It's a long article, but worth the read. Personally, I don't want the US to turn into Europe, where islamic infiltration is rampant.

Read. Discuss.

Evengelicals in the US vs. the threat of Islam

It is VERY relevant not only to the election but the national dialog.

However, who is going to make it relevant in the minds of the general public? Certainly not the Democrats. They want to follow European style suicidal appeasement policies. It's the same with the media, hollywood, and political elites.

The appeasement of Islam in Europe is getting so bad that they are literally on the verge of having a two tiered system of laws. One for Muslims and one for "infidels". To a small degree it is already happening in many countries.

The latest bit of insanity out of the UK is they will be not only appeasing polygamy on the part of Muslim men, the government will pay welfare and housing benefits for all of their wives. This is occurring even though bigamy and polygamy are illegal in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nbenefit103.xml

It's starting to get bad in Canada too. Like some of Europe, there is no freedom of speech anymore. If you write a book or article that criticizes or questions Islam, you are brought before some "Human Rights Commission" and/or "Human Rights Tribunal" and put through an inquisition which could result in criminal fines and penalties. All because the thought police deem your writing "hate speech". Several American authors have recently been dragged before these commissions along with their publishing companies in Canada.

Ontario has an "Arbitration Act" that is allowing a form of Sharia Court to exist in Canada for Muslims. Some Canadian governments are also thinking about allowing "Sharia Banking" in commercial banks in that country. It may be be going on already.

This is all brought about by the self loathing and suicidal notion of "multiculturalism".

It's coming here too. More slowly than Europe, Canada, and Australia, but it is coming. It happens one inch at a time.

Madman - you would probably know this - did the UK recently officially change the use of the word "terrorism" to "Anti-Islamic Activity"? I think I heard it on Glenn Beck the other night, too lazy to do any research, figured you might know...

If that is true, that may very well be the fucking dumbest thing I have ever heard, anywhere, ever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...d=1766&ito=1490

Google is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing . . .

Wow. That is a stunning article. First of all, that Hitchens guy is a total weenus. He must have been molested by a priest or something. What have Christians done to him? Why the venom? I'll be the first to admit that people who call themselves Christians are as screwed up as any people group on earth. But this guy's got things all mixed up. He seems to think we have these secret political rallies where we plot and scheme to take over the world like some large-scale Pinky and the Brain. So confused. Believe me, he is in no way more disgusted with the condition of the church than I am. And I have been a follower of Jesus Christ for 19 years.

About Islam... this surprises me, but then again it doesn't. Madman, I think you said it well. The whole multiculturalism thing is truly destroying what these countries have been (in the case of France, maybe that's a good thing). When you give a religion carte blanche to do, say and be whatever they want with no repercussions, only bad things will result. When you add to that that we're talking about an extremely arrogant, highly violent religion who historically has only grown through invasion and force, and you've created the perfect storm.

If you had a "Christian" community that was being policed by the local jurisdiction, there may be some discontent, but in general, there would be compliance, because the Bible tells Christians to obey the law of the land and respect leaders, because God ordains all leadership. You will never see a Christian (a sane one anyway) strap on a bomb and go blow up a mnarketplace because he disagrees with the local authorities.

Islam, on the other hand, leaves no room for anything but itself. It utterly disrespects any religion other than itself. And there is such incredible tribal strife inherent in the religion from the word go, that it's really an angry hornet's nest no matter what you do. It's a merciless religion that controls its devotees through terror. If you don't do what Allah says, he will direct the faithful to kill you. If you screw up a little, you must be punished. And if anyone dares question you or require you to do anything your Imam or Mullah tells you to do, pitch a fit or just go on and kill him. It's okay. Allah-u-akbar!

Have you ever heard of anything so idiotic and insanely Orwellian.

Well, it is the Brits. What can you do.

It is now official....

Brits are officially retarded!

Interesting article. Paints a very drab picture.

I think if anywhere in the US pushes back against the tide so to speak, it will be the Mid-West and Southern states. The East Coast will be the first to succumb (NY, DC, Boston). The West will welcome it with open arms (San Fran, Berkeley, etc.).

Organized religion as a whole is ruining this world. We'd be better off without any of it.

Edited to add: Though I'd take Christians over Muslims every time.

Some British Muslim appeasement suicidal insanity....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml

Let us not forget that many Muslims born in Islamic countries prefer to use their hands and some water to wipe their asses instead of toilet paper.

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In an example of what the Brits now call "anti-Islamic activity"...... a Christian bishop's life is being threatened because the Muslims claim he insulted them... by speaking the truth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam103.xml

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It doesn't like all the Muslim women in the UK are enjoying all of the freedoms of the West now that there is a large Muslim population in England...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam303.xml

The people who preach "multiculturalism" tell you that no culture is better than any other.

I've said it a hundred times before: Islam is a scourge on the planet and Americans should do nothing to embrace it. It's a religion of hate and fear mongering.

Someone on a blog I read today made the insane comment: "A moderate muslim US president would probably go a long way towards making the world a better place".

What frightens me the most is that there are people who believe this horseshit. There's no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'.

About the article, the guy is pretty hostile towards Christianity but does still concede that were it not for the Christian right in this country, we'd be rolling over just like the countries in Europe to a peaceful invasion of Islam that would slowly erode everything this country was based upon.

Well... not exactly.

Michigan already has the highest concentrated Muslim populations in North America.

The largest amounts of private terrorist financing in North America for groups like Hezbollah comes directly from Michigan.

Already one town named Hamtramck has the Muslim call to prayer 5 times a day that you would hear in a Middle Eastern country (it's broadcast all over the town).

Plus here in NYC, our shithead Mayor Bloomerg has allowed an all Arabic speaking public school to be formed on taxpayer money. It's first principal already had to quit because she was caught pushing pro-jihad, terrorist T-shirts supporting Palestinian terrorism.

Believe me, there are plenty of problems here on the East Coast. Brooklyn, Paterson, NJ. and Jersey City are hotbeds of jihad ideology.

One thing he failed to discuss is the danger the Christian left poses in helping Islam advance it's agenda.

The Christian right understands and realizes the danger. The Christian left does not and the Christian left is increasing in numbers in this country. The Christian left is also involved with open borders and exasperating the illegal immigration problem.

Just a thought here... wouldn't it be interesting if we could play God and do a little dream cock-fight...

Corner 1: Adolph Hitler and his psychopathic Nazi dream and military machine.

Corner 2: Islam.

Ahhh.... NO.

A little bit of history that most people are not aware of..... Hitler and the Nazi's were allied with the Muslim's of the Middle East.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a close ally of Hitler.

The Nazi's also had an all Muslim division of the Waffen SS formed from the Muslims living in the Balkans.

Hehe. He said "Grand Mufti". Well I did know they intermingled, but I was unaware of that marriage. You gotta admit though... that would be a dang good fight.

The statistical growth of Islam is misleading. Because by law, if you convert to anything - they are obligated to kill you - this essentially makes Islam hereditary.

I met a guy who grew up as a Muslim in Egypt. He converted to Christianity and was ready to face the consequences (death). His parents were responsible for killing him for converting, but because his older brother had just recently died in a car accident - and his parents could not bare to lose another son - they let him live.

He recently moved back to some Muslim country to do humanitarian aid work for a Christian organization specializing in children with special needs. (Autism, cerebral palsy, etc)

Okay. You've established that Islam is an evil religion. You've established that all muslims are fanatical adherents to an evil religion. So the next question is...what's the end game?

How do you stamp out an ideology? Is it even possible to stem the legislation of culture by counter-legislation? And what would need to be enacted? A series of laws barring muslims from the political process? Renovate existing immigration laws to exclude muslims?

Are we talking about re-vamping laws at all? Or are we talking about Manzanar getting a fresh coat of paint?

What are we talking about?

Wow that's a really courageous guy. I think when a Muslim is enlightened to just how evil that ideology is, he will immediately be repulsed. The problem is, and understandably so, for the vast majority of Muslims, conversion equals death. Usually not just for the convert, either. Usually his family is attacked as well, if not killed. As I mentioned, there is no mercy in Islam. None whatsoever. Mercy is viewed as weakness. And Allah has no place for the weak. Hence, we get evil, cowardly men strapping bombs to mentally retarded women and remotely detonating the bombs in a crowded market. What is the solution, people? Seriously, I don't know. The human/fleshly part of me says nuke em. But my faith says that those people, no matter how evil/heartless/cold they may be, are just that...people.

And here I thought all that beer and pork rinds and banging Jewish girls woulda washed it off of me. Nope...turns out I'm still in the club.

Wow...his parents musta been some real pansies. I keep waiting for my Dad to kill my Mom for being a white liberal Scots Presbyterian, and me and my brother for being alcoholic pork-munching libertarian agnostic apostates, but nope. He's all kababs and smiles. Hell, I figure he'd better kill Mom before she kills him with flax seed wheat germ whole bran yogurt smoothies, but he's probably more at risk of exploding from excess gas than a bomb vest. Considering there's no such thing as a moderate muslim, his sleeper cell must be sleepin' reeeeeeal deep. Yeah, that's it. Someday he'll go jihad.

"I'll kick your ass, bitch!"

You can't stamp out an ideology short of complete eradication of the people who hold that ideology, and that would cause many more problems then a our nation could handle.

How can you tell who is who in a religious war? You either have to start eliminating whole races of people because of suspected Islamic affiliation (a la Germany) or continue on the path we are on which is to wage a continuous "war on terror" against an ideology, which will only drain us of our resources as it has been.

Bin Laden's goal was to "bankrupt" the US, and I'd say 9/11 was a good catalyst for reaching that goal. As long as Islam has the resources and funding (Saudi Arabia) to wage this type of warfare, it's going to be a long hard road as what we are doing is akin to a siege, and laying siege to an ideology is in my opinion completely impossible.

Our current crop of politicians and population don't have what it takes to even try and legislate against Islam. They'll just roll over as being politically correct is more important than anything to them and attacking any religion is political suicide in this country. Look how well Scientology has prospered here....

I don't know the answer, and maybe our current course of action is the right course but I don't know how long our economy can take it. I guess time and history will tell.

His mama call him Clay. I'm-a call him Clay.

You're a Muslim. How about you providing some answers to the questions that you have posed. How about you as a Muslim emerging from the pack and reinforcing the myth of the so-called "moderate Muslim".

Muslims have murdered many people in the West through brutal and savage terrorist attacks. Muslims around the world riot and kill each other and innocents at the drop of a hat or media report they deem offensive.

Your first reaction to the other user for his comments is one of sarcasm. Your attitude is almost like he as a citizen has no right to feel that Islam is violent and barbaric despite endless proof to the contrary constantly being provided by Muslims themselves. You are absolutely wrong.

Instead of admitting the truth that people have a rational right to be suspicious of Islam and Muslims, you practically accuse him of wanting to reopen internment camps.

Is that the "moderate Muslim" in you speaking?

As a Muslim, instead of attacking people who have every reasonable right to be suspicious of Islam in general, you more than anyone should be denouncing the egregious and barbaric acts committed on a regular basis in the name of your religion. It's going to take Muslims to put an end to the violent and psychotic nature endemic within Islam.

But then again, you don't do that. There is never a denunciation of the violence or the insanity. Your first instinct is to attack those who rightfully question Islam.

Maybe as a Muslim, you know more than most that opening your mouth against other Muslims could be a hazard to your safety and possibly your life. It's easier for you to condemn everyone else for having their justifiable suspicions and opinions. The "religion of peace" remains "peaceful" as long as you keep your mouth shut.

You invoke the memory of Manzanar in your rant against other people, however there was a big difference back then. Many Japanese went out of their way to prove their loyalty to this country and their new home. That is not happening with Muslims today. The public is not being shown any efforts on behalf of Muslims to help eradicate the cancer within. We are treated to nothing but complaints and endless grievances from the so-called "Muslim community". Their attitude is the same as yours... "how dare anyone question Islam".

The search for the mythical moderate Muslim continues. It is a search that is all too often wrought with disappointment and even more suspicion. So-called Muslim leaders who have sat and broke bread with American presidents have been found to have terrorist ties. The very first Ramadan celebrations in the White House during the Clinton administration were organized by a Muslim who turned out to be a jihadist supporter. The largest Muslim organizations in America, CAIR, The American Muslim Council, ISNA, etc. all have been found to have ties to terrorism.

The search continues. It doesn't look with any high degree of confidence that you may be one of the mythical moderate Muslims. You condemn everyone else but Muslims.... But I'm still optimistic. I do sense that you love freedom and liberty. Maybe one day that will force you and other Muslims such as yourself to finally stand up and do something about the problem within Islam.

Ooooo. Dis gon' be good.

We'd better open up the Mexican border wide and let the mexicans finish taking over before the Islamics do...