I wouldn't count on it.

He'll say everyone else is fucked up. We are all bigots. Islam is religion of peace... We're the ones that are fucked up. His standard shtick is usually something along the lines of America being a racist country..... or something to that end.

He thinks he gets pulled over by the cops all the time because they think he is a hispanic gang member because of his skin color and bald head.

You're trolling as usual, but I'll bite anyways.

I don't think we need more laws. We just need to ensure we hang on to the ideal that this is a free country, and it should not turn into a nanny state like most in Western Europe already have. As a citizenry, we need to pull back a bit on multiculturalism at all costs and hang on to the culture that is uniquely American. Don't stand for the bullshit like Madman cited in Michigan with prayer calls over public address systems. That's not separation of church and state.

So next you'll argue that the Christian right is no better. I contend it is. It was that same Christian right that founded this country, and then granted freedom of religion, provided it does not interfere with affairs of state. ALL muslim countries are incapable of this and govern under some variation of islamic law. Your beloved Iran is a good example of that. A non-muslim wouldn't be terribly comfortable there. Would you not want to feel welcome in your own country based on your religious beliefs? Let them fill our borders and then refuse to acclimate as American citizens with a love of freedom and tolerance of others, and that's exactly what will happen here in another couple generations. And we'll welcome it with open arms because of this insane notion of politically correct multiculturalism until we all wake up one day and say, "WTF?"

That same religious right, and the moderate right - half of the country's population, is the only thing keeping the US from becoming the next nanny state.

Let's not get into any personal shit, Brian. You know where I stand on things, and frankly, I know exactly what you are under that tough guy veneer.

How about this, Madman. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Everyone on here has thrown a little personal info about themselves on the board. You know, let the sun shine in. How come you never talk to us? Oh, you talk at us, but you never talk about the stuff you've been through, the places you've seen, the people you've known. Why not?

Yeah, yeah, you'll come back with some sarcastic response, but c'mon, we all know you've never imparted anything personal. Why not?

What are you afraid of?

C'mon, Madman, we won't bite.

No. Trolling would be me playing devil's advocate to get your goat. I'm being honest. The fact that it bothers you doesn't make me a troll.

Great. I couldn't agree more.

What the fuck is multiculturalism anyway? Serving burritos in the cafeteria? Why should I be so afraid of it? Should I run around, hysterically screaming at Mexicans? What should we do?!?!

What Michigan does is Michigan's problem. Sounds like a States Rights issue to me. I don't live in Michigan, so fuck 'em.

Really? Wow, I had no idea that the Christian Right had such a deep respect for separation of church and state in this country. Maybe it's because they don't. If it were up to the Christian Right, you'd go to jail for 2Live Crew records. Not that you shouldn't, but just not for the reasons that Christians would give you. And Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson didn't found this country, numb nuts. Revolutionaries did!

Yeah, well, that's their fuckin' problem. Not mine.

When have I ever touted Iran? Now you're just makin' shit up.

If it were up to the Christian Right, I wouldn't be too welcome for my religious beliefs. You bet your ass the idea makes me uncomfortable. I don't trust Christians. I know too many of them.

I don't care what the fuck people do, or what they believe, as long as they don't prevent me from mine. What the fuck? Have we lost sight of this?

Right and Left have done their share to fuck the values this country was founded upon, don't get mixed up in that. You can accuse the religious right of a lot of things....preserving your rights as an individual ain't one of them.

I know you haven't declared jihad, but you're a Muslim. If the Muslim problem is going to be solved, it is going to take Muslims. That means you.

Don't give me any bullshit either that you don't know many Muslims or don't have anything to do with other Muslims.

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I'm responsible for the shit I do. Me. And to a certain extent, the shit my kid does. That's it. That's where it ends. What responsibility do I have in the brutal acts of Islamic fanatics? I was sitting here and drinking my Oly and watching Serpico, m inding my own business and now all of a sudden I'm the ambassador to Islam. Fuck off.

I'm not saying you are responsible for the acts of the fanatical harcore Muslims. But, as a Muslim, there is a hell of a lot more you could be doing.

If Catholics were going around killing people every day, you can bet your ass other Catholics wouldn't tolerate it.

You Muslims don't seem to have ANY problem tolerating the worst in your own. Too many of you go out of your way to cover it up and lie about it. That has to stop.

The problem is most likely you are scared of your own. Religion of peace right?

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You're French, Martel. Do I come to you and blame you for the Congo? Should I blame you for Algeria? Can I blame you for the Vichy government? Why not? You're French, right? If you're one of those mythical upstanding Frenchmen we hear so much about but never see, why won't you stand up and say "I'm nothing like the French people you see on Fox News and in history class! I'm one of the good Frenchmen! But not that good of a Frenchman!!!" And hearing the words "mythical moderate muslim" just smacks a little too much like "Blood Jew" for my tastes. You start lumping a fifth of the world's population into a pigeonhole marked "EVIL", you start down a road that only has one end.

I'm not French. Not a drop. I'm insulted you would think I was French. At least I hope you didn't think French Canadian. The horror.... the horror.

Where are the moderate Muslims if you don't think they are "mythical"? The Muslim people in this country hold too many jihadist type sentiments. 26% of all Muslims 30 years of age and under in America think suicide bombing is acceptable.

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My point about the question about Manzanar is about our end game. What's the logical conclusion to all of this? What's the thing that no one wants to talk about? Are we heading for all out war with an entire group of people, who live in every major city on the planet? What will the ugly implications, the disgusting details boil down to? Police state? No privacy, military checkpoints, "Papers, please", no oversight for the overseers, lots and lots of detainments, imprisonments, marshal law, clamp-downs, the outings, the cries of "muslim sympathizer", the division drawn, the us or them, blah blah blah...

The police state crap is just that.... CRAP.

That's a typical response from you. Repeat left wing rhetoric of an impending police state every time combating terrorism is mentioned.

A good start would be to knock off all the political correctness and have an open public dialog regarding Islam. That needs to happen... for both the sake of American Muslims and non-Muslims. Political correctness provides cover for Islamic terrorists. They unfortunately use it to their greater advantage.

Another good start would be to pass a law requiring all religions... that includes Islam.... to declare every penny of income and where it originates (currently no religious institutions have to do that). If taxpayers are going to give any religious institution tax exempt status, they have a right to know where every penny of that money is coming from.

Same absolute disclosure for all foundations and every form of non-profit money and disbursements.

End the practice of mosques not allowing non-Muslims access to their services. If taxpayers are subsidizing them, then anyone and any taxpayer should be able to walk into any service at any time. That is not currently happening in many... and probably most mosques.

Terrorism thrives under our ridiculous and overly generous tax-exempt status and laws.

Profiling must be allowed at all security sensitive points. Maybe Israeli style profiling, but our current system is ridiculous.

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I say no. Americans live by example. People in this country have the choice to embrace the Constitution or reject it. It matters not in the end. Give me freedom, or give me death, but don't give me something in between. The American way of life is infectious, and if it doesn't catch on, then I'm happy to go down with the ship. But I want to do it with dignity, not pandering to compromise.

The American way of life USED to be infectious. it is NOT anymore.

There is too much encouraging people NOT to assimilate into the American way of life. The immigration experience is not like it was 100 years ago.

Today every immigrant group has a ready made grievance group or organization to help them hate and complain about their new home and make demands.

The only pandering going on in this country is to politically correct special interests. There is absolutely NO pandering going on in the direction of American values and what was long held American traditions and way of life.

Jeez... If you can't see a lot of that where you live in that Mexifornian shithole your city is turning into, there is either no hope for you, or you are completely full of shit.

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I'm not afraid of muslims, which is what sets you and I apart. I'm not afraid of the bogeymen hiding around every corner, plotting, planning. Look, I just want to be free to pursue my own end, and I ask to be held accountable for my own actions. I'm not afraid to die. No one can guarantee my safety. But the constitution guarantees my freedom, and the only thing I fear is that THAT will be taken away. No foreign invader can take that away from me! NO ONE CAN!!!

I'm not afraid of Muslims either. You're a Muslim and I could knock you over with my urine stream.

Your freedom is not being taken away. You listen to too much left wing bullshit. You're freedom doesn't have to be infringed just so the government can protect you. It's nice that you want to pursue your own ends. But not everyone in this country is out to pursue ends that would end nicely.

The world and the government doesn't revolve around your pursuit of your ends.

You aren't doing anything wrong are you? Are you on the phone with Iran or any other Middle East terrorist country or something on a regular basis? If so, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in such behavior.

The constitution also says the government is supposed to protect you from all enemies foreign and domestic. You have read it haven't you?

Maybe give it a shot when you're done reading commondreams.org or dailykos.

Now instead of Islam, Muslims and your anger, you want to turn the topic to me.

Alright. What do you want to know? Ask any question and I'll answer it. I'm not shy. You've never asked me anything so why should I volunteer anything to you. Especially you.

Am I a tough guy? That's not even something I ever think about. Maybe I have a NY attitude that tends to come across sometimes. I don't know. If I have to be a tough guy, I can be a tough guy. I'm not scared of anyone. But that's not me. I always have a smile on my face and a song in my heart.

Well... except when angry Muslims are nearby.

Again with the tough guy talk. You go down on your mom with that mouth?

(I'd say "your dad" but I know he wasn't around, and that might hurt your feelings.)

That was tough guy talk? You California guys must really be pussies. I thought it was a joke.

Don't bring mothers or fathers into this. I thought we were talking about Islam until you decided to jump into the thread and play flying Imam and turn everything on it's head.

What's with my Dad not being around? He looked fine when I saw him yesterday afternoon.

I'll tell him the Muslims were asking for him. I'm sure he'll be happy you're so concerned.

'Cause Islam didn't make you a fearful little dick. Your fucked up mom and your absent dad did.

At this point, I don't know if I can hear the sad details. Your life probably makes Silkwood sound like Toy Story.

Wow...what a privilege.
--What's your name?
--Where did you grow up?
--What were your parents like?
--When did your dad leave/pass away/whatever?
--Is your social dysfunction due to a lack of attention or too much attention?
--Who are your heroes?
--What do you do for a living?
--What have you done for a living before?
--Do you have an education, other than the online blogs and shit you read?
--Do you have friends? Seriously? What are they like?
--What do you do for fun?
--Do you like little girls or little boys?
--How come you never joined the military?
--What's your favorite color? (Dead muslim is NOT a color)
--How old are you?
--What would you consider your formative moment?
--What one word would you consider defines your personality?
--Are you in therapy? Have you had professional "help" in this regard.
--What is your favorite food?
--If you could forcibly rape and strangle any child actor, which one would it be and why? (Don't be shocked at this question, we know you've thought long and hard about it.)
--Which (sub)culture do you dislike the most--muslims, homosexuals, latinos, or leftists? Be honest.
--How much time do you spend on internet chat forums? Again, be honest.
--Do you chat on the internet about anything other than politics, religion, etc.?
--What's the deal with the snuff films? Seriously.
--Do your friends, family, etc. (if they care or exist at all) know how much time you spend online, warning people of the dangers that lurk around them?
--When was the last party you went to? What did you talk about at the party? Would you say you had a good time?

Okay...I've got a thousand more questions, but that should do it for now. Remember, you're a tough guy, so these questions shouldn't pose too much of a threat to such a tough guy.

Why me? What did I ever do to you? Hey, I didn't run out on your mom. Don't blame shift with me.

If you haven't figured out that I'm being sarcastic about you being a tough guy, then you've got issues. I mean, beyond the oedipal thing.

No. Ya can't. That's the point. Tough guys don't whine. Tough guys don't live in constant fear of the people around them. You don't get that you live in total fear, that you propagate and perpetrate fear. You have all this vitriol exactly because you're afraid. There's one thing I know, in all seriousness, and that is that you are absolutely, positively not a happy person. You are miserable. Every time you come on here to post, you leave behind the stench of fear and misery. Sorry, but them's the facts, kid. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this.

Yeah, I bet you're a real peach to be around. Even if you lie to us, you ain't lyin' to yourself, and I sure as shit ain't believing it.

The only fearful little dick here is you Shahram. You and that big chip on your shoulder. As usual you turned this thread away from the original subject of Islam to personal attacks.

You jumped right into the thread to change the subject and bust balls. God forbid people on the board talk about Islam.

You do this with every single Islam thread. That must be your "moderate Islamic" side shining through.

Careful with the Mom talk. Your Mom takes it in the ass and we haven't even seen Letterman's final few countdowns on the list yet. It can get ugly .... and messy, where your mother is concerned.

I'll answer your questions if it keeps your tampon in place................

--What's your name?……………….. NY Madman

--Where did you grow up?……………….Brooklyn and Staten Island

--What were your parents like? ………...... My parents are great. Allah has blessed me with a very nice family

--When did your dad leave/pass away/whatever?………..... My father is very much alive and doing well

--Is your social dysfunction due to a lack of attention or too much attention?....………. Nice try. Unlike you I have no social dysfunctions, chips on my shoulder, or victim mentality

--Who are your heroes?.....………….. Not something I've thought about a lot. At least not as a grown man. Do many grown men have heroes? They have people they admire. I kind of thought heroes were mostly within the realm of children. If you need an answer, I would say my father because he is the most honest man and the man with the most integrity I have ever known.

--What do you do for a living?.....……… I thought you said I lived in my parent's basement. That’s not the story anymore?

I do anything I want to do. I have a pension from the city. I have income from investments and private corporate entities. I made some money over the years and an inheritance enabled me to move out of the employee world.

There is still work involved. I own property and there is the usual routine property management issues and routine problems. I still do some home improvement type projects in the warmer months if and when they come along.

I’m sure I make a lot more than you do carting your Muslim ass everyday on some LA freeway to punch a clock for someone else.

--What have you done for a living before?...………….. Pizza/Restaurant, Home Improvement, Police Officer, IT Contractor, Home Improvement, Real Estate Investment, other misc. things

--Do you have an education, other than the online blogs and shit you read?.....…….. No. I quit school in grammar school asshole. That is why it is so hard for me to even put together a sentence.

I spent my formative years strumming on a banjo while strange people went canoing on a nearby river.

--Do you have friends? Seriously? What are they like?....………. Yeah, I have good friends. Like most people I have many acquaintances, but a circle of good friends I would trust with my life.

What are they like? They're fun and I'm sure, thankfully not like you. No big chips on their shoulders. None are Muslim either if that is useful to you.

--What do you do for fun?.......... Numerous things... I like casino gambling, restaurants, drinking in the bar with friends, woodworking, sex, sex while woodworking, sex at the bar with friends. They won't allow sex on the casino floor.

--Do you like little girls or little boys?..…………. Little girls on Saturdays, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Little boys on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.

--How come you never joined the military?...………… Was I supposed to join? Did you get my draft notice by mistake? Did you join? Do you know something that I don't?

Maybe I would have joined. That was definitely a possibility I thought about, but I joined another para-military organization at a young age called the NYPD.

--What's your favorite color? (Dead Muslim is NOT a color)......……. You blocked me on the choices there. Right away I would have said “Dead Muslim Red”. Wouldn't everyone? I guess I have to say Blue now.

--How old are you?......………... At this moment…..43

--What would you consider your formative moment?......………… Waking up in the hospital alive.

--What one word would you consider defines your personality?.......……….Amicable (Unless you are a jihadi Muslim. Then there could be trouble)

--Are you in therapy? Have you had professional "help" in this regard...…………... NO asshole.

--What is your favorite food?....………….. Too many foods I love. Maybe sautéed Broccoli Rabe w/sausage over penne.

--If you could forcibly rape and strangle any child actor, which one would it be and why? (Don't be shocked at this question, we know you've thought long and hard about it.)....………I've never thought about raping kids. You're a very sick bastard.

--Which (sub)culture do you dislike the most--muslims, homosexuals, latinos, or leftists? Be honest........…... It's definitely Muslims. Come on.... they fucking kill people every single day. You're one of them. But I forgot, you’re a “moderate Muslim”.

--How much time do you spend on internet chat forums? Again, be honest..............Overall, probably not as much as you. It depends on the day.

This is the only forum I post messages. Unlike you.

--Do you chat on the internet about anything other than politics, religion, etc.?....……………..No. Just what you see me post on this board. That is it.

--What's the deal with the snuff films? Seriously.....……….. I don't watch snuff films. You're like a little whining bitch still stuck on that one posting. You are a pussy.

--Do your friends, family, etc. (if they care or exist at all) know how much time you spend online, warning people of the dangers that lurk around them?.......……..I don't spend any more time posting on the internet than you do.

Is that how you see my posts… as warnings to people? I always thought it was a form of dialog. I don’t start most of these threads. I just respond with opinions and some useful info. If you as a “moderate Muslim” find that info offensive or problematic, that’s too bad. You can Fuck Off. Make an argument based on the information provided. If you can …. but you can’t. You know you can’t.

The information provided in this thread got zero response from you about the information provided. Yet somehow, you as a mythical “moderate Muslim” felt it was important to attack people like me for posting any useful or relevant information.

You’re a Muslim who is completely embarrassed to be a Muslim, but you can’t admit it to yourself, never mind anyone else.

In the time it took for me to respond to this post the next day…. How many people have Muslims killed in the name of Islam? You know your violent religion runs red with blood on a daily basis, yet instead of admitting the obvious, I’m the bad guy in your mind for stating the obvious.

You’re an asshole. Fuck Off and Fuck Allah…. And Fuck that Allah worshiping piece of shit that spawned you.

--When was the last party you went to? What did you talk about at the party? Would you say you had a good time?.....................Hey jerkoff.. If you actually had some friends, maybe you would have heard of a Superbowl Party.

We talked about a number of things. Some of it even included football. Duh!!

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If you haven't figured out that I'm being sarcastic about you being a tough guy, then you've got issues. I mean, beyond the oedipal thing.

How is anyone supposed to know what you are being sarcastic about?

You've done more crying and whining on this board than Britney being dragged into rehab. You left this board for a time crying because basically... you're a little cunt. You've bitched and moaned about police harassing you because of the color of your skin and your shorn head. You act like a little "victimized" twat. You've done more crying on this board than a colicky infant.

I couldn't care less what you think or what you consider a tough guy. I don't cry. I don’t bitch and I don’t whine and moan. I leave that to pussies like you.

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No. Ya can't. That's the point. Tough guys don't whine. Tough guys don't live in constant fear of the people around them. You don't get that you live in total fear, that you propagate and perpetrate fear. You have all this vitriol exactly because you're afraid. There's one thing I know, in all seriousness, and that is that you are absolutely, positively not a happy person. You are miserable. Every time you come on here to post, you leave behind the stench of fear and misery. Sorry, but them's the facts, kid. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this.

You can think whatever the fuck you want. I couldn't care less. I don't whine. I don't live in fear. I’m not you.

If you didn't like what was being discussed on here or the facts that are presented, you would reply with a legitimate or rational response. You rarely ever do that. You can't do that. You never do that when the subject is Islam.

You're a little sad sack of shit who knows he was born into a cult of insanity, but since you have some psychological issues related to your identity as a Muslim, you take it out on others who bring up the topic or present any type of valid information.

You attack the messenger, then you cry like a bitch. Poor little baby.

You haven't once addressed the subject in this thread. You haven't once presented a counter argument because you can't. As a Muslim you have no counter argument other than to attack others.

So much for the "moderate" or even apostate Muslim.

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Yeah, I bet you're a real peach to be around. Even if you lie to us, you ain't lyin' to yourself, and I sure as shit ain't believing it.

Again, I couldn’t care less what you believe. With that chip on your shoulder you are free to believe whatever the hell you want.

I bet you talk about pork rinds all the time with the thinking that it makes the Muslim thing go away. God knows you mention pork rinds here all the time as if they are your “anti-muslim shield”. As if all the pork rind talk will protect you from the Muslim stink. Almost as if you weren’t a lowlife Muslim.

If you are not going to talk about Islam and Muslims, stay the hell out of threads regarding Islam and Muslims. If you feel the need to join the topic, show us the mythical “moderate Muslim”. All you ever show is the angry Muslim.

... And your Muslim stink.

Dizzam! Like I said... dis gon' be good.

And Shahram...where are Muslims imprisoned for what they believe (other than by other tribes in Muslim countries)? I'm asking this in sincerity because I honestly don't know (not trying to be catty or anything). And don't go down the Gitmo Road, dude because everyone in the whole friggin' world knows that's a steaming load of crap. Give me an honest answer. Here's why I'm asking... because you fire all these arrows at "the Christian right" when in reality, Christians all over the globe are being persecuted as we speak simply because they are followers of Jesus Christ. Churches are burnt, lives are taken, people are imprisoned without charge and without trial. It happens daily. It's happening now in China, Indonesia, Myanmar, South America, Central America, all over the Middle East, Central Africa... so seriously. Tell me where Muslims are being persecuted other than by other Muslims? Because these evil, megalomaniacal right-wing Christians you hate with such fervor are truly suffering.

I really think you 2 guys should just kiss and make up! We all know you have a deep love for each other, just quit denying it anymore guys. You are just making us all suffer with this false bickering. Long distance relationships can work guys!

Seriously tho - I'd pay some serious coin to put you 2 guys in a room together and watch the fun!

Shahram -

Wow, what a huge dose of missing the point.

What is multiculturalism anyways? It's the new standard where it's now OK to not assimilate into American culture and instead turn the place you live into a tiny version of the shithole from where you came. I'm sure there's plenty of neighborhoods nearby you in SoCal where you can see what I mean.

Your attitude is one of total apathy on what other people do and you think that because other people don't feel that way, we're afraid of these other cultures creeping up on us.

I'm not afraid of much anything, except maybe leaning the truck at 28+ degrees on a sidehill over a drop off. That fucking scares me. I am concerned, however, about what this will do to our country eventually. The division between left and right in today's USA will pale in comparison to the division between multigenerational Americans and new Islamic neighborhoods, and all the little Mexicos that are popping up all over the country.

Muslims coming into this country won't be satisfied to be their own little niche of citizenry. They'll aspire for more - lots more. They'll expect us to adapt to their way of life, because they reject anything that is not muslim. Their religious beliefs allow them to lie, to kill, and martyr themselves for their religion. As the population grows, they'll get bolder and bolder, and we'll see a crop of homegrown terrorists that will threaten our national security.

Don't believe it? Look what's happened in London. In Madrid. Other places where muslims thought it was OK to blow up trains, busses.

If it comes to that here, you WON'T be free to pursue your own end. Will you care then?

He knows exactly what it means and in what context.

I agree with you regarding his sense of apathy, but it is almost beyond that. It is really an invidious sense of apathy.

The best part of his response was when he said he wasn't trolling.

So others can stay focused on their popcorn while Madman impresses us with his vocabulary:

in·vid·i·ous [ in víddee əss ]
adjective

Definition:
1. unjust: making or implying an unfair distinction

2. unpleasant: unpleasant because producing or likely to produce jealousy, resentment, or hatred in other people

Aw dang. That's not interesting. I thought Madman was telling us Shahram can make himself disappear.

Thank You BlueSky.

I'm sure the people in the cheap seats appreciate your generosity.

That was a highly magnanimous gesture on your part.

Definition:

It was mighty white of you.

That description automagically encrapsulated exactly what he was trying to say and endumbened it for the rest of us.

Hey, I know what magnanimous means. It's that really strong but light metal they make airplane parts out of. It burns real bright too so they make flares with it.

My plate:
FMAB2

Simple. Fuck 'em all but 2. My wife and I.

Fuck 'em all. Really

Wow, you sure like that word a lot!

I'd address the rest of your problems, but....I'm sure Claus can sum it up in one fell swoop. Eat a dick, you low rent Goebbels.