X and Halo +1 for an explanation that makes perfect sense to everybody. Everybody. Right...?

MM, thanks for taking the bait! Love it!

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Get a motorcycle or something from these guys: http://www.teslamotors.com. Arguing about gas prices is a lot like arguing about horse buggies. Well, at least it will be in 10 years or so.

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Yeah sure.

The federal government spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year giving money to radical environmental groups.

If that money had been spent giving it to companies like Tesla, we may have already had a viable electric car.

You just don't get it. The policy of the Democrat Party is for there to be no viable energy policy...

WTF? Can you do all of us a fucking favor and point to a logical and proven link between buying a motorcycle or looking at http://www.teslamotors.com and the mother fucking Democratic party? You see, most of us on this board know that you hate Democrats. Most of us don't give a shit about that too. But that is not the point. Stop brining you fucking _I_hate_Democrats_shit because it is fucking annoying as hell. Can you have a post where you don't blame Democrats for every fucking thing that happened to this country? Can you do all of us a favor and at least pretend that there are some aspects of this life that are not being fucked in the ass by some angry Democrat? I mean, sheesh, people have political views and this is understandable, but replying to every single post with something related to politics is getting hella annoying.

Rank on, mother fucker, rant on.

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So, you are a Republican. McCain is a Republican. So you must support what he thinks.

That's basically what you are trying to pin on me. Not all Democrats are NIMBY people.



Nice. COMPLETELY avoid my request. You didn't talk about income tax at ALL.



Funny. I was comparing income tax to income tax. And you say it's not convenient. You would rather me compare Exxon's COMPLETE tax burden with an individuals income tax? Talk about an unfair comparison...

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Must not include many conservatives then...because they seem to be the biggest whiners on taxes.

(My apologies to conservatives...I don't think you are stupid...but that was just too easy.)



I tell you what Madman...when you can prove I'm a registered Democrat (I'm not), I'll accept that argument.

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I think you mean billion. :-D

I think with the market the way it is right now, a LOT of people would be happy with 8.3%.

Moby,

I don't want to be rude, but even a weekend trader would know that 8.3 percent is nearly 4 percent below the market average for a medium risk portfolio. If you are happy with 8.3 percent return on your investment, you might as well buy no-risk bonds or keep you money in the bank. That's hardly enough to keep pace with inflation this year and you'd be better off consuming that money than saving or investing it at such a low rate of return. Hell, my portfolio is up almost 25 percent in the last 12 months even though I have stock in major companies that have been losing value for a while now. I just diversify, look for up and comers, and I don't bail when a couple of stocks drop a few dollars.

Show me consistent funds that make 12+% this year and I'll be first in line!

Make me second.

The fact that this guy is making it sound like it's 'common knowledge' that 12% ROI is the floor just furthers my initial impression that he's just using this thread for bragging/lying.

It's the internet, so I'll side with the second option.

And now for a goofy picture:

Hey asshat... the energy policies in this country ARE politics and political. Surely even someone as stupid as you can see that.

Democrats aren't the only problem either. Liberal Republicans are part of our problem. People like McCain are part of the problem.

My point was that liberals for the most part are NIMBY people. Yes, some Republicans are NIMBY liberals too.

Who's talking about income tax. You asked about the oil companies.

They operate at a fairly low profit margin compared to overall revenues.

But they make good propaganda targets for political demagogues.

I don't know where you get that Moby. I'm not the one who originally brought up individuals income taxes. That was you. We were talking about the oil companies.

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Must not include many conservatives then...because they seem to be the biggest whiners on taxes.

Taxes in this country are TOO HIGH.

Even corporate tax rates are too high. We have the second highest corporate rate in the developed world. We are going to be losing out to other countries unless we do something about it.

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I tell you what Madman...when you can prove I'm a registered Democrat (I'm not), I'll accept that argument.

You're not a Democrat?

Well, you certainly are a doctrinaire liberal. Who would have guessed you're not a Democrat.

You two are right, there are not many mutual funds that are making money right now. I said that the average roi is 12 percent in the market. That statement is correct if you are willing to keep your money in the market. The market rewards patience. You may have a roi of -6 percent this year, 16 percent next year, and 26 percent the year after when the market rebounds.

Here is a fund that will probably give you 12 percent this year. The 1, 3, 5, and 10 year returns are excellent.

CGM Focus Fund-a small cap fund

http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=MUTF:CGMFX

Riddle me this, then, Batman...er...Madman...

1. I think we SHOULD build nuclear plants.
2. I have no problem with corporal punishment in schools.
3. I think ALL states should follow my home state of Indiana with photo ID requirements for voting (they have the strongest law, btw).
4. I have no problem with limiting the time someone is on welfare.
5. I have no problem with people owning guns.
6. I believe in near absolute freedom of speech.

Yeah...those are ALL die-hard liberal views, aren't they?

Come on bro... or should I say "my friend" in 'McCainspeak'....

You're always on the left side of most issues. It doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you wrong on most issues.

While I appreciate your willingness to allow us to keep our guns and not restrict our freedom of speech... (the US Constitution not withstanding).... many of your comrades on the left do not feel the same way.

However, I've always thought there was hope for you Moby.