Originally posted by NY Madman:
Originally posted by rift:
[b]Hey Madman. Okay, I definitely didn't intend this thread to go this direction. But...
Okay why did I post the thread, you ask? Look at the headline I gave it. It is sad. Tragically sad. And yes, all men are inherently evil, including me, all pastors, the Pope, Rev. Billy Graham, Mother Theresa...every last one of us. That's not to say we're incapable of good actions. But by nature, if given the choice to do good or evil, our propensity will almost without fail lean towards the evil. Thank Adam and Eve. It's the reason Jesus came to earth. To save mankind from destruction brought upon himself by choosing to stray from God's intended path.
[b]Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."[/b]
By what you are saying I think it is safe to assume you are one of these born again Christians. Your Christian beliefs are not the same as many other Christians, and yes, most don't believe that mankind is inherently evil.
In relation to the title of this thread, the only thing that is so freaking sad is the fact that there wasn't another cop at the scene to blow this kid back to hell where he belongs.
While I really don't want to start an argument with you either, I have to say ........ every single day the newspapers are loaded with all kinds of stories that you could deem "sad". I just hope it doesn't mean you will be feeling the need to create a thread for every story about some lowlife kid who you believe was a victim of circumstance and went wrong.
Do the Christian thing and spare us from doing that.[/b]Madman. Gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this. I am a follower of Jesus Christ. If you want to call me "one of these born again Christians" you can do that. That's fine. It's not inaccurate. But to ask me to leave the Bible quotes out is to ask me to leave out my moral code. It is my guide, it is my instruction manual for life. For some people, Jerry Springer or the latest Vivid Video is their life manual. For me it is God's Word. So don't ask me to and don't get mad when I don't. I'm not asking you to leave out your moral guides when you get into a discussion. I respect yours.
I also don't agree with your comment that "Your Christian beliefs are not the same as many other Christians, and yes, most don't believe that mankind is inherently evil". If that's the case, those people have simply not read the Bible.
No, I'm not going to start a thread for every one of these stories. You're right. Today's news is positively rife with tragic, heart-breaking stories. This one happened to hit close to home, in a community near where I live, to two people groups I deeply respect: law enforcement and youth. I don't know where you anger comes from towards me and this thread, but if I "offended" you it was not my intent.
I believe what I believe, and it is glaringly obvious we have vast differences of opinion. I'm sorry to hear you have such a negative opinion of "these born again Christians". To be honest, a lot of them piss me off too. But I hope that you will at least not take your anger at Christians out on God. It's not His fault we're a bunch of idiots.
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