Sure, I have been to numerous Southern states in my life. You are full of shit if you think that racial issues are exclusive to the South.

We have had race riots right here in NYC. We have had people die because others like Al Sharpton have whipped crowds into frenzies of racial hatred.

Don't give me any of your bullshit claiming that racism is something permanent and endemic in the South. You sound like nothing but a propagandist.

I'm sure that all the black people that have been moving to Southern states in recent years are moving there for the sole purpose of wanting to experience some of that "good ole' Southern racism".

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Yes. I DO think it's ok for a white coward that hung up a noose to get his ass beat. He knew the potential consequences when he was hanging the rope...

Legal to beat 'em? Nope. Not legal at all. But it's vigilante justice to the coward that hung the rope, because the local cops and school administration wouldn't do anything about it.

So you are saying you believe in "vigilante justice".

Is your sense of vigilantism an equal opportunity sense of justice, or is it just directed towards white people?

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I'm telling you right now, if there are 6 people with the intent to KILL another one in a beating, that victim doesn't go home from the hospital the same day. Sorry. Not buying that. There was intent to beat down, but not kill. Hell, even a good beat down puts you in the hospital for a few days... Unless this white kid's last name is, "Norris", I'd say the 6 guys had no intention to kill him, and really didn't even beat him all that fucking bad.

You are now making assumptions. In some cases what you say would be true on the face.

The charge was based on intent, not ability.

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Can't kids have a fight on the "playground" without somebody getting all pissy?? People like you are the reason why you can't even play friggin' dodgeball in school anymore. Candy ass.

I don't completely disagree with the sentiment of that statement.

However, it isn't people like me that are creating these situations in educational institutions. It is people just like you.

I think it is unfortunate what is going on in schools today. Another unfortunate byproduct of what is going on in schools is the administration and in some cases the curriculum is creating more racial tensions among students.

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Maybe you didn't know, but hanging up a noose to intimidate ain't legal, either. According to most state laws, that's, "Terroristic Threatening". Look it up. In Kentucky, hanging a noose on school property would violate section KRS 508.078, Terroristic Threatening in the Second Degree. It's a Class D felony.

I don't know the laws of every state. I am also not defending the act of the white kids putting nooses in trees. It was a stupid thing to do.

However it didn't warrant the response that unfolded afterwards. School administrators for the most part are complete assholes these days and do not handle these situations correctly.

I'm also not saying the kids should have been expelled. They should have been disciplined.

Would you be so upset if black kids put up signs or posters of former Black Panthers who advocated killing whites and a violent revolution in America? I don't think so.

You are part of the double standard that wishes to advance itself within this country.

You would probably think that posters of some Black Panther radicals who advocated violence was nothing but a display of "diversity" and "culture".

In some sense you are no different than the current education establishment that fosters further hatred among the races.

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I don't know LA's laws, obviously. But if something like this happened in Kentucky, the 3 boys that hung the nooses would be looking facing 1-5 years of jail time, and the 6 that beat up 1 of 'em would be looking at 3 months to 1 year of time. Hmm... Tell me again which one is the "greater" of the crimes?

You are sure about that? Hanging mock nooses from trees is illegal but the KKK, the New Black Panther Party, Palestinian terror groups and every flavor of hate group can have public rallies on school campuses and displays of hatred, all protected by the First Amendment.

College campuses are loaded with hate speech and numerous other things advocating hatred and sometimes outright violence and racism.

Yet, supposedly you claim there is a law preventing a bunch of idiot kids .... or anyone for that matter, from hanging mock nooses because a noose is somehow a symbol of racism against blacks and blacks only.

You would almost think that no white man or other non-black person has ever swung from a noose in all this nonsense.

Maybe Southern states should also consider outlawing retail outlets from selling white bed sheets if the levels of sensitivities are that bad.

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Ahh. I see you like to try people for things they may, or may not have done in the past, for current events. Hmm... Nice to see you're "fair and balanced" with your thoughts on this one... Last time I checked, juvy records aren't available to the public. How the hell do you know what "history" he does or does not have? Better yet, why does that even matter?

Who the hell is trying people for things they may have already done? I'm simply stating that previous convictions (that have already been tried and adjudicated) are indicative of character. This kid had a record of previous violent crime. That is a matter of record. It is not a matter of conjecture.

He also had a crap lawyer who didn't call a single witness in his defense. You don't hear the media making a big deal out of that do you?

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Evidently you think it's OK to hang nooses to intimidate people? Tell me something. Can you see well enough through those little slits in your hood when you're hanging up ropes, or burning crosses?

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was alright for the white kids to hang nooses from the trees. They were assholes for doing that.

That still doesn't give the black kids a license to go on a beating rampage.

There is plenty of things going on in so-called "black culture" that is completely and overtly offensive to white people. That doesn't give white people a license to beat black people either.

Your politically motivated ... or politically correct skewed opinions don't give you license to call other people racists just because they don't agree with you either.

On that level you are no better than the worst of the double standard race hucksters.

Often the act of kicking someone in the head brings attempted murder charges as the shoes are seen as deadly weapons.

There have been cases of martial arts experts and boxers charged with use of deadly weapons (feet and fists).

The only difference here is the race card has been pulled out and its getting distorted in the media. I'm not saying the noose thing was right but 6 guys beating 1 guy isnt right either.

The problem sure doesnt begin or end in Jena, LA
I would bet that if these kids white and black had a parent at home and some discipline growing up half this stuff would never happen.

You committed a cardinal sin Kodiak.

How dare you imply that a culture of out of wedlock births leads to any societal problems.

Ever since Cuba Gooding Jr. recited the modern American liberal bible in the movie "Jerry Maguire" stating..."A single mother, that's a sacred thing", you are not allowed to even question that ethos. That is now the rule. It is beyond reproach. That is the new standard of values in this country.

I will be submitting your name for two weeks of re-education camp known as "Diversity Training".

To me, the problem is that many of the protesters don't want justice and aren't interested in the facts of the case or the real status of race relations in Jena or anywhere else. It goes without saying that having a "whites only" meeting place and intimidating people by hanging nooses in a tree are both unacceptable. But take the beating and reverse the races of the perps and victim, and the protesters would be down there insisting the "Jena 6" be locked up for life instead of freed. In fact, I wonder how many of the protesters actually even know the facts of the case.

I find it exhausting to live near Atlanta. EVERYTHING is about race here. It's frustrating because equality is what the civil rights movement was about, but it's the last thing the race-mongers are really interested in. For example, if they wanted justice, they'd have ridden their buses up to Duke to protest the travesty of the wrongfully charged lacrosse players.

Right on, BlueSky.. Race is such a bullshit issue down here, it's ridiculous. And no, I'm not saying it only applies to the South, Madman, but having lived in the northern Midwest and the central and southern parts of the East Coast, not to mention having a wife from up north, I can say with confidence that race manages to stick itself with many more issues down South.

I say fuck the Jena 6. I say fuck the white kids that hung the nooses. Apply any and all discipline applicable to them under the law, and move on. To me, what's sad is that three states over a man is still serving a much harsher sentence for having oral sex with a girl barely two years younger than him. That to me, is still the much clearer barometer of racism in the justice system down south than this waste of time.

Umm, he didn't. Why did you automatically assume these kids were born out of wedlock? Or that the society they live in Jena is one of a high rate of out of wedlock births? Careful. Everytime you speak you let your racism through just a little... Might want to consider keeping your mouth shut every now and again...

The "had a parent at home" *could* mean out of wedlock child raising, but not necessarily. It could easily also mean a DIVORCED family, a family w/ two working parents, etc. But nope. You jumped right up and decided these are bastard kids, and that's the root of the whole problem...

Whatever, man. Consider getting some help for that chip on your shoulder.

Here's my thing. Back when most of us were in high school, if something like a few white kids got beat up 'cause they hung up some nooses, there wouldn't be any police called out to the scene. There wouldn't be any charges brought up. It's a school-yard fight. Nothing more, nothing less. 10, 20 years ago, nobody would have cared. It's just one stupid kid getting beat up for something stupid he did. Please move along/nothing to see here.

But nope. Instead of disciplining the racist kids that hang out at the "white" tree, the school administration decided to turn a blind eye. And what happens? Some other kids that felt like nobody gave a darn about them decided to take care of business their own way. Was it a good way to do it? No, not really. Did it have the right effect? I don't know. But I'm betting there aren't anymore nooses being hung up in that tree, either...

Madman, FYI: yeah, I would be against someone hanging up Black Panther propaganda. As much as I'm against the KKK and their recruiting drives. Both of 'em serve no purpose other than to stir up trouble, and spread hate. For the same reasons, I don't care for, nor support Al Sharpton and his crew of meddlers. Out of state protestors being bussed in for ANYTHING always cracks me up...if the locals don't care to make things a big deal, why do carpet baggers from hundreds of miles away try to meddle? That never made sense to me.

I jumped on you, because you jumped on ONLY the 6, and not the original 3. This isn't football; the retaliation shouldn't be the only thing that gets a penalty marker flag. Some kids started the trouble, and some others escalated it. And now it's all blown out of proportion with attempted murder charges for cripes sake. It's ridiculous, and if you actually agree that attempted murder charges are warranted, you're friggin' ridiculous, too.

If all the kids that got into fights in high school were brought up on attempted murder charges...dyam, man, I bet there's a big majority of people that wouldn't be "free" nowadays.... Hell, at my high school, Senior year, our Valdictorian even got suspended for 3 days for fighting on a bus...

From what I've read at least, Porsche, your argument doesn't hold up:

1. The school administration did not "turn a blind eye." The students who hung the nooses were suspended though not expelled as the principal recommended. The local D.A. stated that no charges were filed because he could not find an applicable state law under which to charge them. Their act did not meet the definition of a federal hate crime because all 3 were under 18, had no prior record, and no hate group such as the KKK was behind their actions.

2. According to the U.S. Attorney who investigated, the student who was attacked was not one of the students who hung the nooses and there was no connection between the two incidents other than that both were racially motivated.

Dear God, there are actually intelligent people in the world that think violence is a good answer to non-violent acts? Really?

Like everyone else here positing theories, I don't really know what happened at that school, and I don't think we'll ever really know unless it was videotaped. With audio.

What really aggravates me is a) any adult in the 21st century would suggest that violence is the answer to anything other than violence, and b) that race relations are still so incredibly screwed up in this country that people actually protest the legal system doing it's job.

Folks, hanging nooses in a tree, while grotesque, did not result in any bodily injury. The kids received punishment from the school, end of story. From what we know, they didn't "pretend" to actually hang anyone, nor did they threaten anyone directly with the nooses. One report said the nooses were even in school colours. Perhaps it was some sort of comment about the upcoming football season to their rivals. You never know.

Now, in what seems to be a completely unrelated event, six guys jump one guy, kicking him in the head. How is that an appropriate response? These guys were out of control and deserve to be tried as adults.

I am so sick and tired of Sharpton and Jackson getting riled up about ANYthing that has the hint of racial tension involved. What was it somebody said earlier about the Duke lacrosse team? I agree -- if they were really interested in fairness and objectivity and a colourblind legal system, they would have rallied behind those lacrosse players, or at least apologized for their behaviour afterwards.

Good God... I'm agreeing with Madman.

The students were suspended for only 3 days. You can get that sort of punishment by skipping school to go out to lunch. I don't see how that punishment is harsh enough.

From what I understand, there were a lot of racially motivated events for several weeks/months after the noose hanging event. I assumed the kid that got jumped was one that hung a noose. If he wasn't, what was his involvement in any of the other incidences that occured in the time between? I don't know; I don't live anywhere near there. But I'm guessing nobody is trying to say he was the perfect little angel, except his parents.

FYI: Louisiana does have a "Anti-Bullying" law. The original students that hung the noose would be subject to breaking it, as well as the 6 that jumped the guy. All of them could be kicked out of school for the punishment. So what's the problem with just following the laws that fit the crime, instead of pushing for criminal charges against the 6? It doesn't make sense to push severe criminal charges, when the end result of the beating wasn't even all that bad. The kid is fine; he was "fine" the very same day. Probably hurt his pride more than anything else.

Expell the 6 from that school. Expell the original noose hangers, too. A relatively "simple" case has been completely blown out of proportion, and by the time it's all over, my guess is there's a DA in Louisiana that's going to come out as a real jackass, and eventually lose his job over his racism.

Guess that means you don't like hockey, huh?

You know, I used to have the same sort of attitude. No really, I did. Before my parents adopted black kids, I went through life pretty vanilla. I was blind to what subtle things go on, on a daily basis.

But my eyes have been opened to all the racist crap that goes on, every day. I'm not black, so I don't get it directed at me. But my little brother (16 and a high school junior) has had tons of instances with garbage just like these nooses, and it makes my stomach turn. NOBODY should have to go to school and worry they're going to get jumped because of the color of their skin. That goes both ways.

However, I can COMPLETELY understand how, if you constantly berate a person because of something they don't have any control over (their skin color, for example), that eventually, they're either going to cower, or they're going to lash out. I don't know what it's like to be afraid at school because of my skin color. But I've gotten plenty of calls from my little bro', when he's scared shitless, because of something some jerk said or did to him because he's black. It's pathetic.

High School kids are mean. That's a simple fact of life. So when one kid, or group of kids, set out to intimidate another, at some point, somebody is going to get their arse beat. That's just the way HS politics work.

So, no, I'm not going to feel sorry for the poor white kids that hung a noose for, according to y'all, no apparent reason whatsoever... Because I guess in Louisiana, white kids just so happen to carry around nooses and hang them from trees on a regular basis, so it's not a big deal at all...

In this particular case, the white kids started something they couldn't finish. Tough titty. I hope it taught them to keep their racism to themselves. Is it a shame one of 'em got beat down by 6 guys? Sure is. Maybe if they had learned something growing up that didn't teach them to be racist, none of it would ever have happened in the first place.

Ignorance breeds ignorance, and unfortunately, being a racist isn't a crime. But acting on your racism is, even in Louisiana. What were the 6 kids, and all the other black kids at the school, for that matter, supposed to do when they see some (it couldn't be all) of the white kids at the school INTENTIONALLY try to intimidate them, and essentially get away with it? Are they supposed to just bend over and take it?

The system failed them, in this case. I can't honestly blame them for taking things into their own hands, when their own government wouldn't protect them. At the end of the day, nobody died, nobody ended up in the hospital. The kids should be thrown out of school for fighting; that was the wrong way to go about it, and they should face the consequences.

But having a fight at school shouldn't automatically qualify you for 10-20 years in the state pen... That's as ridiculous as allowing the intimidators off with only 3 day suspension.

If the issue is whether blacks and whites were treated differently under the law, then by all means invesigate and make whatever changes are necessary.

My point is that these protesters claim to be marching against injustice but never make a peep when the injustice doesn't involve a minority. That removes any credibility they have.

There's a remarkable double standard in this country. Incompetence and criminal behavior are defended by some people simply because the incompetent person or criminal is of the same race. I just don't understand that.

I bet if your mom looked at me crooked, I'd shit my pants. But then, how else could she look at me, the hunched over old bitch.

Fuck, I'm getting nauseous just thinking about it. I'd better take some time off from XOC again.

I love hockey, actually, because it's a GAME with certain expectations built in. And even then, it has rules. You take a guy off his feet and down on the ice and beat him, the refs move in to stop it and you get a penalty. (Or at least that's how I remember it. We don't get lots of hockey coverage on TV in Texas.)

Not that you can really compare life and hockey...

Listen, I understand high school intimidation and being scared whitless of going to school. I've hidden in the bathrooms and cried. I've feigned sickness to avoid it. Kids at my elementary, junior high and high school provided taunts, jeers, and threatened beatings for me. Daily. At one point, a girl actually smacked me around the head a few times with a full 3", 3-ring binder. In a crowded hallway. Completely unprovoked. You think anything happened to her or should have happened to her? Should all of those kids who taunted or teased me have been prosecuted or suspended? Or is it only if their motivations were racial?

Moreover, if I'd gone ballistic at school because of those few dozen kids who made my life a living hell for 12 years, do you think I'd be justified?

Is this a trick question for everyone? Congrats on your apples to oranges comparison though.

Once again, there will always be racism as long as we continue to treat everyone unequally. BET, all-black schools, affirmative action, press 2 for espanol, etc. all need to go. They are a result of out-dated philosophy. Now, all they do is continue to keep everyone divided. Once we start treating everyone equally (you know, like the constitution says), racism will slowly die out... from all sides. Unfortunately, those who fight for that will be portrayed as racists by the media. :rolleyes:

I'll wait until more comes out on the before I pass final judgement on this topic. Right now, I'm wishing there was a counter-march for something we all refer to as "justice". If you wish to turn to violence as your answer, be prepared to face the punishment from the laws that have already been set up in this country. Just like everyone else no matter of skin color and/or who started what.

I just wish topics wouldn't keep coming up that Shamalamadingdong and I are on similiar sides of the fence... Talk about making me sick to my stomach...

How are WE on similar sides of the fence? I ain't no Sharpton-lovin' negro sympathiser. I'm with Madman, all the way. You can keep your...what the fuck was it? Oh yeah, "Academy of Civil Rights"....whatever that is.

Guess you've got a short memory:

But that's ok... As long as you're back to disagreeing with EVERYONE, including yourself by NOW saying you agree w/ Madman, all is right in the world...

I'm not disagreeing with myself. That's a leftist tactic, and I'm surprised you're using it. Did you get that off the Sharpton propaganda hotline?

See? I'm not agreeing with Madman.

I am Madman.

You want mojo? I've got your mojo. I'm God.

Love,

The whole damn thing is blown way out of proportion. The white kids did something that, at best, was in extremely poor taste. They got in trouble, and one of them got his ass kicked for it.

That should have been the end of the story right there.

After school brawls happened all the time when I was in school in a small town. It was part of growing up and learning to defend yourself. The noose was very inappropriate, and it appears that was dealt with. While symbolic and racist, these are kids we're talking about here. I don't know how many of you have kids in high school, but I remember when I WAS a high schooler, I thought I was pretty mature, but now that I have kids that age and see how petty, idiotic, and fickle they are, I realize that they are still just kids and have a lot of growing up to do...even at 17 or 18.

The black kids aren't criminals for this. The white kids who hung the noose are dirtbags for doing it. Move on.

I'd think Sharpton and Jackson would have something much more productive to do than continue driving a wedge into this country's race relations. That's the only purpose they serve.

If only the powers that were or are had been as successful getting as many buses to get people the fawk out of Louisiana a couple years ago when Katrina hit as they were in getting the endless parade of them to head into Louisiana now......then maybe a few less folks would have died.

I'm just saying.

That's why I said I'll hold off on final judgment. There's a big difference between a school fight and a 6 on 1 fight. And even bigger difference between that and if someone was unconscious, especially after the first blow. How is that even considered a fight? However, after even the smallest fight, those involved know that there will be consequences that follow. So no, the fight itself wouldn't be the end that.

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"But my eyes have been opened to all the racist crap that goes on, every day. I'm not black, so I don't get it directed at me."

This is fukking funny shit right here......
come on down to memphis, I've been here 8 years and I've been treated like the evil white devil more times than I can count.

As I pointed out earlier, the student that was jumped was NOT one of the noose-hangers. Investigators concluded that the noose incident was separate and unrelated to the beating, with the obvious exception of both being racially motivated.

Maybe he was just 'that kid' that everyone hates and wants to kick his ass. Remember back guys. Every school had one.

I'm not downplaying that there aren't a bunch of wrongs here, but this crap needs to quit getting national media attention. It's not news.

Good observation Brad. I saw a photo yesterday with Ray Nagin in the background at some protest.... :rolleyes:

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