NY Madman-

"Most of the debate was the usual Bush bashing, the need for socialist style government programs, more government, more government, more government and some more government. However some candidates seized the opportunity to attack frontrunner Hillary Clinton."

Bingo! I watched almost the entire debate. I was torn between utter disgust and wanting to throw my remote at the TV. Another Bush-bashing fest. Not ONE stated what they are going to do for the country. All they did for 2 hours was criticize Bush.

Should we have a pity party for Hillary now? Boo-fookin' Hoo. When she wants to be seen as tough and cut throat it is ok, but when the heat is focused on her and the others point out her inconsistencies, they are deemed as piling on her.

Edwards looks more like a tool than ever.

Socialism is where we are headed.

S.

Check out what he looks like in this video.....

Democrats major campaign slogan: "Hey, we're NOT George Bush!"

Republicans major campaign slogan: "Hey, we're not Hillary Clinton!"

Where o where are the credible independents this time around? If ever a Ross Perot type (not him specifically - GOD no...) were to appear, this would be the year they just might stand a chance.

Was there ever a credible independent candidate?

Ross Perot was ahead of both Clinton and Bush in the polls in 1992 for a couple of months. He then fucked up his own campaign.

You might have an independent candidate for president this year. In fact I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will happen.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York most likely is going to run for president. He says he will not, but I would bet he is going to do it.

He has an ego the size of Manhattan. Maybe some of it is deserved because he has achieved much in the business world. He is extremely rich. No one knows for sure how much money he has, but it is somewhere between $6 billion and maybe $12 billion or more.

He doesn't need a single penny in campaign donations from anyone. He can completely self finance a campaign from his own pocket and kick in more money than the combined war chests of both the Republican and Democrat parties without feeling a thing in his wallet.

He's also very liberal. He hates guns. He hates the fact that you own guns. He hates the fact that you can walk into a store and buy a gun. He's a nanny state politician. He firmly believes in the power of government to tell you that you can't smoke and the power of government to tell you what you can and can't eat. He believes in the politics of global warming to expand government and give it more control over your life.

He would present a huge problem for the Democrats. Many voters who lean liberal or Democrat, but don't particularly like Hillary Clinton would vote for Michael Bloomberg.

Be on the lookout for him to announce his candidacy for president sometime in February after Super Tuesday.

Things could get interesting.

That's why I vote Libertarian. Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the same medal.

Perot was a credible candidate until he picked an insane running mate.

I agree with that statement... Republicans are looking to make government bigger and to take away a certain list of freedoms while Democrats are looking to make the government bigger and to take away a different list of freedoms.

So what do you think?

A lot has happened over the last week. Barry Obama won the Iowa Caucuses and will win the New Hampshire Primary tomorrow.

Hillary Clinton is starting to sink in the national polls. She's still ahead, but her numbers are getting lower. I can just imagine all the lampshades and other objects she must be smashing against the walls of her office in the last day or so. She was even shedding tears today.

There is now a report that she may leave the race before the embarrassment gets any worse.

I have to say, I'm not really buying it. She has raised $100 million dollars. She has been running for president basically since 1992. We haven't even had two states vote yet on the Democrat side and the media machine is starting to write her off as dead and buried.

I can't see her leaving until after Super Tuesday on Feb. 5. It's not really making sense.

One thing is for sure with both parties.... the media themselves are trying to pick the winners on both sides early on.

Will Hillary Clinton stay in the race and fight it out? Will we see dirty campaign tactics such as Hillary claiming Obama has an illegitimate white baby?

I think if Obama keeps his foot out of his mouth and continues with his plastic campaign where he never says anything deeper than what you read on a Hallmark get well card, he should sew it up. It's proof that Hillary is too polarizing, even for her own party, and she's continually being exposed for her dirty campaign tricks.

On the Republican side, Jeez, I hope Huckabee doesn't get the nomination. He'll make a killing in the south, in Texas, and much of the heartland, which might win him the nomination due to the rest of the states with the greater # of delegates being split on Romney and McCain. I don't think Guliani will hang (thankfully). Thompson should quit now.

In the "lesser of the evils" mantra which is American presidential politics, I'm still pulling for Romney. I'm not his biggest fan, but at least he's not a career senator. Barry is far too much of a socialist. Everyone wants to vote for him on his 'nice guy' platform. That's the same thing that got Jimmy Carter in office, and we saw what happened there.

But's he's as big, if not a bigger, flip-flopper than Kerry.

What I want to hear is their plan to get us out of debt. We spend so much on social programs that we are going to go bankrupt when the baby boomers hit 80.

Yeah, I know.

Like I said. It's the "lesser of the evils" campaign. I perceive that to be the lesser of those evils.

Pretty sad, huh?

At this point, anyone but Clinton or Guiliani.

Or Huckabee... or Obama... or Edwards.

We are really fucked this year.

Social programs aren't what's putting us into debt.

(Social security and Medicaid come from their OWN tax - a payroll tax).

It's giving all our money to rebuild places like Iraq. Rebuild at home before you spend it somewhere else.

Thank God.

Restores my hope in the voter.

NO DOUBT! Whenever that guy goes on with his "we need change" crap, I can't help but think of all of the lame student body president campaign speeches from Jr. high through high school.

"if you make me president, I promise to require 2 cookies in school lunches, etc"

Obama scares the shit out of me on the 2nd amendment. We are in a heap of trouble if he gets elected since he treats the constitution like it's written with an eraser-mate.

I think she can still recover.

She needs to jazz up exactly what she wants to accomplish. If healthcare is a new right that Democrats want to invent, why not High Definition TV for everyone. That should also be a right.

There will always be "two Americas" if some people have to watch standard definition on old fashioned 32" screens. It's an outrage that some people have to suffer like that in the wealthiest nation on earth. Government funded 60" HDTV sets for everyone.

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Here is a good video which tells us what happened when the Democrats were forced to meet the Republicans in the debate the other night....

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"John Edwards... What is that intoxicating smell?"

"Calvin Klein mixed with the sweat of mill workers"

Even though the media made a big deal about it, I am still impressed with Obama's ability to get so many people to show up to a caucus and vote in an ALL WHITE state; Iowa looks to be almost as white as my small mountain town. Says something about his power to make people believe, even though they probably don't really understand what he (and hence they) believe in. Good speaker, no, great speaker; that would be a change...

Thank god he may knock Hilary out, that woman scares the shit out of me. If she does get out early, it may just be because she will want to "live to fight another day" for lack of a better term. I think she will stay till super-duper Tuesday, but man if she doesn't, everybody can come have a beer at my house, cause I'll be celebrating.

Don't like Romney still, reminds me too much of Kerry; and I think Mormonism is a cult, and will continue to hold that against him (and every other mormon) to be perfectly honest. In the lesser of two evils I would vote for him if I had to.

Huckabee is interesting. For a "conservative" he has some pretty liberal views. Boy does he have an uphill battle though.

Should be fun to see how this cookie crumbles.

That wasn't the power of Obama. That was the power of Oprah. She is god, you know. I love it how Oprah shows up to Obama's rallies, and then all of a sudden she becomes more black. She starts using her black Pentecostal minister voice and blabbing in her best martin Luther King Jr. voice about "he is the one". Okay, okay... we know you live in Lalaland, Oprah, but Barack is not Neo. I've seen the Matrix. I own the movies. And he, ma'am, is no Neo.

Oh, and Mobycat.... I'm glad you don't like Billary. But I have to disagree with you about your flag comment. To me, refusing to salute the flag (for military or former military) or put your hand on your heart (the rest of us) is equivalent to spitting in the face of all those who have fought and bled and died for our common right to display that same flag. A person may not agree with the current state of affairs in this nation, but if you are running for elected office, you have a requirement to respect that flag and what it represents. Proper and formal protocol requires either a salute or a hand on the heart. If a Presidential Candidate doesn't/can't show that simple respect, he should never be allowed to set foot in the Oval Office.

It was impressive that an all white state went for Obama. Another almost all white state will vote for him tomorrow.

That may be bad news for the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the country. It kind of puts a cringe in their lucrative "all white people are racists" racial extortion industry.

I still don't see what the big deal is about Obama. He never says anything substantive. He talks nothing but hot air and platitudes.

When he does say something, he embarrasses himself but no one really seems to be listening to anything he says when he does actually say something.

In the debate the other night he said the success of the troop surge in Iraq was because the Democrats were elected to Congress last year. WTF?


Then he said the "Anbar Awakening" in Iraq was the Sunnis attempting to make nice with the Shia. WTF?

He has no comprehension of what is going on.

The press doesn't even call this guy on his complete lack of knowledge on what the fuck is going on over there.

I have to say.... I am in no way a Hillary supporter, but if we have to have a Democrat president.... Hillary is better than the other two. The other two guys are dangerous and completely out of their element.

Sadly, I agree.

Wow, next you and the others of your ilk will want to hug Cindy Sheehan.

Just messin' with you.

Myself, I'd like to suit her up and ship her to Iraq to sniff out IEDs.

For a second there, I was thinking, "where did THAT come from?" But then I realized how old this isn't a new thread.