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#624166 - 11/06/03 11:24 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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#624167 - 11/06/03 11:24 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Hey Todrick,

I checked out KDC and it is actually pretty cool. You guys were kinda like KMFDM....pretty impressed. How come you gave up on the whole music scene??
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#624168 - 11/06/03 11:44 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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I am not a big Metallica fan (too played out), but like several of their songs. I got a copy of this CD, and I must say, it sucks. It sounds like they got together in their garage and just started playing...out of synch.
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#624169 - 11/06/03 11:56 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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I was a huge metallica fan all the way back to kill 'em all. I threw away all my stuff after the napster thing. I mean they got their start off of people trading tapes.
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#624170 - 11/06/03 11:59 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Hey Todrick,

I checked out KDC and it is actually pretty cool. You guys were kinda like KMFDM....pretty impressed. How come you gave up on the whole music scene??
kids...

i don't see how any responsible father can be in a signed band and tour 6-9 months a year(metallica included)

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#624171 - 11/06/03 01:17 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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#624172 - 11/06/03 01:27 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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i don't see how any responsible father can be in a signed band and tour 6-9 months a year(metallica included)
I used to listen Kevorkian Death Cycle. I just checked and I found an old mp3 for Never Say Never. Now I have to go through all my old crappy industrial CDs.

Now to dust off some Electric Hellfire Club...
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#624173 - 11/06/03 01:52 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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LOL... i wasnt in the band when they did "never say never"... and wasnt a fan of it, you need to hear the cover of Relax by frankie goes to hollywood that we did... that was a quality tune... or the cover from the TV terror compilation of the "one day at a time" theme song.

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#624174 - 11/06/03 02:41 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Metallica = Sellouts? NO WAY!
Metallica = Posers? NO FUCKIN WAY!

You guys crack me up. It would be a lot more sad if Metallica (at their age) were still trying to do the things they did in the mid-eighties. It would be like Al Bundy dreaming of his high school football accomplishments.

In my opinion, Metallica has grown as a band. They have matured in a fashion that most metal heads can't understand. You know the type, a thirty something, used up, long haired tough guy that acts like they're still in high school. Do you really think that this type of person could understand the subtle nuances of Metallica's 90's style? I don't.

If the music has a chorus and understandable lyrics these guys don't like it. Nevermind the technical skill displayed by Metallica when they play their instruments, if the song doesn't have the stereotypical metal thrash sound then it sucks. I'm sorry, but I prefer to listen to music that is not only creative but technically sound.

I believe that most metal bands wouldn't know how to play an instrument if their life depended on it. There is a difference between playing an instrument and thrashing an instrument. Most metal bands thrash instruments. If you don't believe me than ask a metal head to play some Bach or jazz riffs. Not shit they heard a thousand times and can replicate but stuff that requires talent and skill.

Art is subjective and it would be a shame if Metallica didn't explore their 90's style like they did. Their old music may be better but that doesn't mean that their newer music isn't good in it's own style.

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#624175 - 11/06/03 04:10 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Who cares how old they are?? Does that really have an effect on their music?? As far as I can tell, there are only a few reasons for changing the way you sound as a band.
1. You are tired of playing the style you have played
2. Your record company told you to
3. You want a bigger piece of the demographic
There are probably more...but out of these 3 I think that Metallica wanted a bigger piece of the demographic. We all know by now that Metallica is largely driven by money and how many times over they can become millionares!! They still had a huge fanbase before Load!!! Why did they change their style?? To appeal to the younger crowd!! All kids want to hear nowadays are the sell out Staind like bands. It all started with Limp Bisquit...look at them now!! If Metallica would have kept their original musical style (who cares about how their hair is cut ect...that is just marketing tools to make money) they would still be hugely popular today! Did Led Zepplin ever change styles?? All of the classics that are still popular today kept the same style, explored different creative ideas, while still maintaining their millionare status. Metallica is just a bunch of greedy sell-outs who will eventually be forgotten just like Guns-n-Roses. Barely anybody listened to their new stuff because it was crap (after the 2 disc album). But Appetite for Destruction was amazing.
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#624176 - 11/06/03 04:13 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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ohhh...one more thing. If you want to say that they are not all about money...then explain why the fuck it costs $75.00 to go see them... [Smoking] Radio stations all over the place are getting bad reviews...go to FM99 and check out the vote page on St Anger...over half of the listeners in the Hampton Roads area (Virginia) don't like it and want them to stop playing it!! This is a really popular rock station!
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#624177 - 11/06/03 05:10 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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I bought it last night at Target, only because at $9.98, it was at least worth checking out. It even came with a DVD. I'll add to the list of people here who aren't impressed. Even though I haven't made it through the whole CD, I've only found one song that I like so far, "Frantic". The rest so far is lacking in the musicality department. It all sounds like a bunch of noise, I honestly thought something was wrong with my CD player when I was listening to it. So between the noise they call guitars, and the screaming vocals, I'm disappointed. frown
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#624178 - 11/06/03 07:48 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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musically, and technically, i can say that Hetfield, Ullrich, and Newstead were all incredible as individuals, and as a group for the first 4 albums (even the black one).

now, i don't understand what they've done exactly, but from what i have heard, they have taken "music" and tossed the idea out the window. it's like they're not even playing the same shit.

the lyrics really suck now, too.

they're not the same band. too bad they don't realise what they've become, and how bad they sound. it's sad to waste that talent.

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#624179 - 11/06/03 10:05 PM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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musically, and technically, i can say that Hetfield, Ullrich, and Newstead were all incredible as individuals, and as a group for the first 4 albums (even the black one).

now, i don't understand what they've done exactly, but from what i have heard, they have taken "music" and tossed the idea out the window. it's like they're not even playing the same shit.

the lyrics really suck now, too.

they're not the same band. too bad they don't realise what they've become, and how bad they sound. it's sad to waste that talent.
My thoughts almost exactly. I've been very dissapointed with them since ...And Justice For All.
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#624180 - 12/06/03 01:39 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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What you guys don't understand is that TRUE artists grow and evolve. If your art is standing still then I will argue that you aren't an artist. An artist also takes chances and puts their heart and soul on the line for all to see and criticize. I would never expect a band that's been in the scene for decades to remain the same throughout their career.

Remember, the goal of art is to extract emotion from the viewer/listener, whether it's positive or negative emotion. If the viewer/listener is indifferent about the piece than the artist didn't do his job.

You guys don't like their newer stuff and that's cool. But, to call Metallica sell outs is small minded. You obviously don't understand what art is. Art is the marriage of creative thought and technical skill. The better of each and the better the art.

As far as the money goes, when is the last time you worked for free (hobbies and private businesses don't count). Do you go into work and tell your boss that because you really like your job you don't want to be paid for it? I highly doubt it. If Metallic can get paid then more power to them. They need to take advantage of the payday now because it probably won't last. What's wrong with that? Would you deny Metallic from collecting what the market says they can for their services?

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#624181 - 12/06/03 02:01 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Malocs, you almost made sense, but then contradicted yourself and nullified your whole argument.

the second you worry about the "payday" is the second you are no longer an artist.

I'd say Metallica stopped being "Artists" soon after "...and justice for all"

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#624182 - 12/06/03 02:29 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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the second you worry about the "payday" is the second you are no longer an artist.
So good bands don't have to eat or pay the mortgage ?

The only real artist is Prince anyway laugh
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#624183 - 12/06/03 04:14 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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As far as the money goes, when is the last time you worked for free (hobbies and private businesses don't count). Do you go into work and tell your boss that because you really like your job you don't want to be paid for it? I highly doubt it. If Metallic can get paid then more power to them. They need to take advantage of the payday now because it probably won't last. What's wrong with that? Would you deny Metallic from collecting what the market says they can for their services?
If the record company tells you to sound like whoever is most popular and you will make more money, then they are not being artists! There is no creativitiy in that at all!! That would be like telling Van Gough that if he painted his pieces in a different way (the way the manager tells him) that he would make more money!! Art is about feeling and personal style. A true artist will not change his/her personal style soley for the purpose of making more money. Don't forget that we are talking about Metallica here. It isn't like they were worrying about putting food on their plates. They changed their style/image so they can be worth 25 million instead of 20 million!!! That is ridiculous!!!
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#624184 - 12/06/03 06:35 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Art is the marriage of creative thought and technical skill.
Bingo. Neither of wich Metallica possesses anymore (at least not on anything since the black album came out). They peaked back in the early 90's and now are just another corporate rock act (i.e. Aerosmith) lured into the studio by the promise of millions, not because they have a kick ass album in their heads they need to get out. The "creative" days are way over. cool

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#624185 - 12/06/03 06:46 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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and now are just another corporate rock act (i.e. Aerosmith) lured into the studio by the promise of millions
THANK YOU!!! Aerosmith is the worst!!! Everytime a summer blockbuster movie comes out (Armagedon) they do a song for it. Their songs sound like commercials....did you see that dodge commercial they did??? They are fricken garbage!!
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#624186 - 12/06/03 07:01 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Yeah, and I wonder how long it will be before Metallica makes the leap into soundtrack music. It can't be far off.

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#624187 - 12/06/03 07:33 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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What you guys don't understand is that TRUE artists grow and evolve. If your art is standing still then I will argue that you aren't an artist. An artist also takes chances and puts their heart and soul on the line for all to see and criticize. I would never expect a band that's been in the scene for decades to remain the same throughout their career.
That's why all great bands need to end it early. Some of the best ever had either someone die or they broke up in their prime. They went out before they had the chance to "evolve" into something made for radio - before their retirements became a primary concern.

I get it, hell I may do the same myself, but I don't have to like it.
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#624188 - 12/06/03 07:42 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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There's only so much creativity inside someone before they become to affected by the business.

Think of it like the movies. Why does (almost) every sequel to a great movie suck - because someones ideas are spent and now they're trying to cash in on a previous success.

...or something....now I'm just ranting. laugh
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#624189 - 12/06/03 07:48 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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Yeah, and I wonder how long it will be before Metallica makes the leap into soundtrack music. It can't be far off.
Uh MI2 anyone
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#624190 - 12/06/03 09:30 AM Re: Metallica- St. Anger
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[b]the second you worry about the "payday" is the second you are no longer an artist.
So good bands don't have to eat or pay the mortgage ?

The only real artist is Prince anyway laugh [/b]
no but if they worry about it, they ar enot an artist... take bad religion for example.. they make a living at it, but have never given in to commercialization

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