last thing I will say. There have been many great QB's who have not won super bowls, that isn't necessarily a judge of whether the qb is good or not. Manning and Palmer (who you cited as great qb's, which i agree with) have not won a super bowl, or even been in the game yet. and finally, the other option qb's you cite were simply just not as good as vince. Vic cannot throw, Vince can.