Here is the solution I came up with. Instead of taking the bumper off to mount them, I mounted them lower where the openings are. They weren't too steady though, so I bought some U-bolts and a piece of perforated aluminum to hold them in place. You can paint the new hardware black if you don't want it to be seen. Here is a picture that hopefully illustrates this method clearly enough. They are rock solid now, too, and don't vibrate at all on roght terrain. Here is a link to a picture of mine showing where they are mounted. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=37709&a=7605600&p=49396181

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=37709&a=13098652&p=49478614[/img]

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