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#633428 - 16/02/07 07:20 AM
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What is the quality of the music you get from iTunes in kbps? Is it CD quality or the 128 stuff that mp3s have been made of for years? Found an Air Force "band" called Dos Gringos that is pretty damn funny and their albums are on iTunes. Never dealt with that place.
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#633429 - 16/02/07 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by InfX708: What is the quality of the music you get from iTunes in kbps? Is it CD quality or the 128 stuff that mp3s have been made of for years? Found an Air Force "band" called Dos Gringos that is pretty damn funny and their albums are on iTunes. Never dealt with that place. There are no CD quality mp3's
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#633430 - 16/02/07 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by TunaSoda: Originally posted by InfX708: [b]What is the quality of the music you get from iTunes in kbps? Is it CD quality or the 128 stuff that mp3s have been made of for years? Found an Air Force "band" called Dos Gringos that is pretty damn funny and their albums are on iTunes. Never dealt with that place. There are no CD quality mp3's[/b]How so?. I can convert an MP3 that will play at 320kbs which should be higher quality than the 192kbps that is standard on Cd's....am I wrong?
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#633431 - 16/02/07 08:06 AM
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Audio cds play at 1411 kbps.
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#633432 - 16/02/07 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Claus: Originally posted by TunaSoda: [b] Originally posted by InfX708: [b]What is the quality of the music you get from iTunes in kbps? Is it CD quality or the 128 stuff that mp3s have been made of for years? Found an Air Force "band" called Dos Gringos that is pretty damn funny and their albums are on iTunes. Never dealt with that place. There are no CD quality mp3's[/b] How so?. I can convert an MP3 that will play at 320kbs which should be higher quality than the 192kbps that is standard on Cd's....am I wrong?[/b]320 is the highest standard bitrate for an mp3, (640 is the highest non-standard).
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#633433 - 16/02/07 08:47 AM
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Regardless of what tweetle dee and tweetle dum above me say, your ear can't tell the difference between a CD and anything 192kbps or higher. You'd have to have a trained, audiophile ear, and a $100,000 sound system to tell the difference.
That being said, sadly songs on iTunes are encoded at 128kbps, which means you more than likely WILL be able to tell the difference between them and a CD. But hey, look at the bright side, they download SUPER fast!
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#633434 - 16/02/07 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by rattmobbins: [QB]Regardless of what tweetle dee and tweetle dum above me say, your ear can't tell the difference between a CD and anything 192kbps or higher. You'd have to have a trained, audiophile ear, and a $100,000 sound system to tell the difference.[QB] I strongly disagree, the highs and lows are very different from an mp3 to a CD
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#633435 - 16/02/07 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by TunaSoda: Originally posted by rattmobbins: [QB]Regardless of what tweetle dee and tweetle dum above me say, your ear can't tell the difference between a CD and anything 192kbps or higher. You'd have to have a trained, audiophile ear, and a $100,000 sound system to tell the difference.[QB] I strongly disagree, the highs and lows are very different from an mp3 to a CDMe too. Don't need a 100k system either, just an appreciation for high quality audio sources. My hard drives are filled with FLACs...
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#633436 - 16/02/07 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by rattmobbins: Regardless of what tweetle dee and tweetle dum above me say, your ear can't tell the difference between a CD and anything 192kbps or higher. You'd have to have a trained, audiophile ear, and a $100,000 sound system to tell the difference.
Not true at all. I can easily tell the difference between a 192kbps MP3 and a 320kbps MP3 on an old crappy pair of headphones. If I switch to my home system (a modest ~$2400 setup) the difference is night and day. Percussion is especially obvious, as the cymbals sound mushy. 128K sounds like FM radio to me, pops n' blips all over the place. Q tips?
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#633437 - 16/02/07 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by rattmobbins: That being said, sadly songs on iTunes are encoded at 128kbps, which means you more than likely WILL be able to tell the difference between them and a CD. But hey, look at the bright side, they download SUPER fast! Good God, at least one of you answered the question. Thanks. I was trying to decide whether to download the CDs or order them. Looks like I'll squat/hold on them for now.
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#633438 - 16/02/07 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by rattmobbins: Regardless of what tweetle dee and tweetle dum above me say, your ear can't tell the difference between a CD and anything 192kbps or higher. You'd have to have a trained, audiophile ear, and a $100,000 sound system to tell the difference.
That being said, sadly songs on iTunes are encoded at 128kbps, which means you more than likely WILL be able to tell the difference between them and a CD. But hey, look at the bright side, they download SUPER fast! Wait a minute, I come out with real reasons in another thread why AAC @ 128 can't be better than MP3s at a higher rate and I get told I'm wrong...you say it and everyone goes: yeah, ok, that makes sense!
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#633439 - 16/02/07 02:28 PM
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Can most people even tell the differance??????? I know years of uncle sams hearing protection have left me kinda hard of hearing but is there really that much differance????
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#633440 - 16/02/07 02:52 PM
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itunes & mp3's music seems to lose the volume (and I'm not talking about the loudness) of a song. It's like the highs & lows are amplified, but the mid range is just lacking. You can easily tell the difference.
What's fortunate is, the difference between CD's and MP3/Itunes is about the same as between Vynl and CD's. At some point, we'll all adapt, and it'll sound "normal". Plus, the studios will eventually take the hint, and start mixing things geared more towards the electronic format, which ought to help things out more, too.
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#633441 - 16/02/07 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by porsche996:
What's fortunate is, the difference between CD's and MP3/Itunes is about the same as between Vynl and CD's. I think you need to get your ears tested dude if you think the difference is as great as between Vinyl and CD. Everyone can hear how awful CDs sound compared to the crisp crackle free sound of Vinyl. I'm a bit of a bootleg trader, I love it how anal all the purists are about people downconverting FLAC into MP3. Yet 9 times out of 10 I doubt they would even hear the difference.
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#633442 - 16/02/07 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by RiNkY: I'm a bit of a bootleg trader, I love it how anal all the purists are about people downconverting FLAC into MP3. The end user can do whatever floats their boat. The idea behind maintaining the data in FLAC is that it is an exact copy of the original source to be archived for trading. Once people start trading manipulated files, the trading community is "polluted" and the efforts of the original taper/archivist are lost. I guess I am defintely one of "those people".
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#633443 - 16/02/07 06:06 PM
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Apple gives away a new song every Tuesday, as well as other free content. Click here Download the free stuff and decide for yourself. Everything else is just a bunch of pissing in the wind :rolleyes:
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#633444 - 16/02/07 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by B.: Originally posted by RiNkY: [b]I'm a bit of a bootleg trader, I love it how anal all the purists are about people downconverting FLAC into MP3.
The end user can do whatever floats their boat. The idea behind maintaining the data in FLAC is that it is an exact copy of the original source to be archived for trading. Once people start trading manipulated files, the trading community is "polluted" and the efforts of the original taper/archivist are lost.
I guess I am defintely one of "those people".[/b]I would still rather listen to an analog recording over a digital file/CD If the source is analog, it is hardly an exact copy
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#633445 - 16/02/07 09:17 PM
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So you don't listen to CDs? CDs aren't analogue, at all...CDs just record/playback at such a high bitrate (sample rate) that your ear cannot tell the difference.
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#633446 - 16/02/07 10:46 PM
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It's like assholes, everyone's got opinions... (or vice versa)
Anyway, I could most easily tell a difference in 192 CBR recorded MP3's vs 320 CBR. My personal preference is 96-320 VBR (max quality) using the latest LAME mp3 codec.
Pertaining to Itunes, I have an ipod, but I have yet to give Apple any (more) of my money for music. I very much prefer to have a jewel case CD sitting on my bookshelf. Then you can encode it however you want. Besides, I think itunes sells 192 AAC or something close to that. While that's pretty good I still like the easy portability of MP3 format (plays in my X even). MP4, OGG, there's plenty of better formats available, but MP3 can still get the job done.
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#633448 - 17/02/07 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by ChefTyler: So you don't listen to CDs? CDs aren't analogue, at all...CDs just record/playback at such a high bitrate (sample rate) that your ear cannot tell the difference. I know, and no, I don't usualy listen to CD's
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#633449 - 17/02/07 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by Mobycat: Originally posted by ChefTyler: [b]CDs aren't analogue, at all...CDs just record/playback at such a high bitrate (sample rate) that your ear cannot tell the difference. Can't tell the difference from what, vinyl? I beg to differ. CD's don't produce the highs and lows that vinyl does. Especially the lows.[/b]True, but I'd rather sacrifice a my highs and lows a bit to get rid of the pops and hisses that vinyl produces...$0.02
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#633450 - 17/02/07 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by TunaSoda: Originally posted by ChefTyler: [b]So you don't listen to CDs? CDs aren't analogue, at all...CDs just record/playback at such a high bitrate (sample rate) that your ear cannot tell the difference. I know, and no, I don't usualy listen to CD's[/b]What analogue source do you listen to?
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#633451 - 17/02/07 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by ChefTyler: Originally posted by TunaSoda: [b] Originally posted by ChefTyler: [b]So you don't listen to CDs? CDs aren't analogue, at all...CDs just record/playback at such a high bitrate (sample rate) that your ear cannot tell the difference. I know, and no, I don't usualy listen to CD's[/b] What analogue source do you listen to?[/b]I didn't say I listened to analog sources, I stated they sound better than digital sources. When my band recorded our demo, we went with 1" tape instead of digital HDD recording (sounds WAY better!) I run a studio but don't have the cash for an analog setup, so I use a 10-track cooledit setup for now... Digital is just lifeless and dry sounding I typically listen to mp3's for the convenience, but I think mp3's are quite pathetic, and the main reason I don't have an ipod is due to their small capacity's
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#633452 - 17/02/07 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by TunaSoda: the main reason I don't have an ipod is due to their small capacity's Curious - what would the opposite of "small capacity" be to you?
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