Pulled this off another board. I whol heartedly agree with this person.

I don't know who wrote it but they should have signed it. Some
> powerful words. This woman should run for president.
>
> Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is
> one ticked off lady.
>
> 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not
> started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September
> 11, 2001?
>
> Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
> murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from
> our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?
>
> Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
> burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
>
> And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was 'desecrated'
> when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well,
> I don't. I don't care at all.
>
> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents
> for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
>
> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
> caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime
> in Saudi Arabia
>
> I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for chopping
> off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed
> throat.
>
> I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Iraq come out
> and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by
> hiding in mosques.
>
> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search
> of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their
> suicide.
>
> I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
> Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law
> instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
>
> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up
> an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
>
> When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
> been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest
> assured: I don't care.
>
> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told
> not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the
> bank: I don't care.
>
> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
> and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
> complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can
> absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.
>
> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran'
> and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it-I
> don't care!!
>
> If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail
> friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for
> this ridiculous behavior!
>
> If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should
> you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more
> atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great
> Country! And may I add:
>
> 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
> difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem' --
> Ronald Reagan
>
> I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you
> forward all this.
>
> 'If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a
> nation gone under' Also by.. Ronald Reagan
>
> One last thought for the day:
>
> In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the Anti-American
> sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime
> Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by
> one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he
> said: 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how
> many want in.. And how many want out.'
>
> Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
> 1. Jesus Christ
> 2. The American G. I.
>
> One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

PERFECTLY WRITTEN!!!!

Thanks for posting it!

Nice

I disagree on many points.... but I don't feel like getting into it again.

I ain't reading all that. I skipped to the end and saw "jesus" and my brain turned off.

It's probably two or three years old, but all the points are valid.

:rolleyes:

Misleading. While you cannot publicly worship, the "mere possession" of a bible is NOT a crime.



I don't get that one at all. Can someone please explain what it means?



Only a complete moron would equate that to a college hazing incident (which, as far as I can tell...is ALSO illegal).



Sometimes you are called an idiot...other times a moron.



Yeah! And then...on Monday...we're all going to protest gas by not stopping by the gas station! Wait until Tuesday! That'll show 'em!!



So you say we shouldn't forget that...what should we do about the first 178 years of our country where we were NOT "One Nation Under God?" Or did YOU forget THAT?

:rolleyes:

I should have followed everyone's lead and skipped over the drivel.

I saw "master of useless posts" and skipped everything else

Moby.... You really do live in left wing "La La Land".

The distribution of non-Muslim religious materials such as Bibles, is illegal in Saudi Arabia. There is no freedom of religion at all in that country. If you even get caught in public praying with a bible in your hand, you will be arrested.

Muslims who convert to another religion face a death sentence in Saudi Arabia.

There are numerous reports of Saudi Customs officials confiscating Bibles from visitors.

But... you people on the left seem to love the Saudis. You do everything in your power to keep us dependent on their oil, even though there is more oil under US territory than in all of Saudi Arabia.

I'll disregard your other left wing "talking points" and ask directly how this country was not a "Nation Under God" until 1967 according to you?

Read the quote again. "MERE POSSESSION." THAT is what was said. And I DID qualify my response by saying you couldn't PUBLICLY worship. So no...I was NOT wrong or in Lala land.

And I find it laughable that you claim the left love the Saudi's so much. The right loves them just as much, if not more. They turn their heads to the human rights abuses there.

Um...first I'd say work on your math. But the I realized you were going by the Constitution, where I was going by the Declaration. That technicality notwithstanding... the Pledge did NOT have "One nation under God" until 1954. End of story.

And NOWHERE before then did ANYTHING say we were a nation under God. NOWHERE. Unless you count the money...but that didn't happen until about 100 years into the country's life.

Public possession or display of the Bible is illegal in Saudi Arabia. You didn't qualify anything. You're intent was to challenge the assertions stated in Chia's post. You didn't do that. Chia's post clearly stated the possession of a bible, not public worship. You are the one who spun it into a public worship issue. You clearly stated possession of a Bible was not illegal. You are wrong.

Maybe you figure nothing is illegal until you are caught.

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And I find it laughable that you claim the left love the Saudi's so much. The right loves them just as much, if not more. They turn their heads to the human rights abuses there.

It's not the right that turns their head to the human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia. It's the U.S. State Department which is dominated by left wing career bureaucrats. It's not called "foggy bottom" as a term of endearment.

You're on the left and you immediately jumped into this thread with a bullshit statement and a lie trying to protect them.

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Um...first I'd say work on your math. But the I realized you were going by the Constitution, where I was going by the Declaration. That technicality notwithstanding... the Pledge did NOT have "One nation under God" until 1954. End of story.

And NOWHERE before then did ANYTHING say we were a nation under God. NOWHERE. Unless you count the money...but that didn't happen until about 100 years into the country's life.

Enough atheist bullet points. You never explained where or how you come up with your particular figure of 178 years and why that was supposed to be somehow significant to whatever argument you were presenting.

Sure, if you're a shrill, fearful cunt with shit for brains.

Instead of being an asshole, why don't you explain why the points are not valid.

That's if you even have half a brain to defend your assertions.

Sure, you can attack me, but you can't defend whatever position it is you are trying to defend.

No, I'm not. Show me where it says possession of a bible is illegal.

Wasn't I clear on that? I used the Declaration.

Subtract 1776 (Declaration) from 1954 (when "one nation under God" was ADDED to the pledge).

Um...yeah...that is 178.

I figured you put 1967 because you went by 1789, when the Constitution ratification was complete.

I'm not going to argue whether 1776 or 1789 is "correct" or not.

Madman...

From the UK: Source

(Note that is says: "The Saudi authorities do accept the private practice of religions other than Islam, and you are allowed to bring a Bible into the country as long as it is for your personal use.")

From the US: Source

(Note that any mention of a bible being confiscated is when it's public or from a group that could be Proselytizing (i.e. a Philipino priest who was preaching.)

The internet is loaded with stories about Bibles being forbidden in Saudi Arabia. Just because the media sources in the US ignore it, doesn't mean it is not happening.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/118411

You're not even allowed to wear a Christian cross over your clothes in view of others in that country.

From the "beloved" US State Department....

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35507.htm

No. You weren't clear at all. The debate was about rights and you moved it to a bogus atheist argument about "Nation Under God".

Many atheists probably want to turn this country into the atheist version of Saudi Arabia.

Exactly which part of "public" do you not understand?

(And *nearly* all of those "stories" are on Christian websites just repeating what other Christian websites are claiming.)

No, it STARTED as an anti-muslim rant and then went into a bogus Bible thumping argument.

Yeah...you keep believing that... :rolleyes:

Who carries Bibles with them when they travel other than Christians?

I'm sure a Bible is really big on your packing list. :rolleyes:

Are you saying Jewish newspapers and the US State Department are repeating bullshit from Christians?

Good Luck with that angle.

I didn't see any anti-Muslim rant going on. Maybe in "La La land" it may have looked that way.

Chia's list was criticizing our own society. It wasn't an anti-Muslim rant.

Um...I don't know ANY Christians who carry bibles with them when they travel unless they are going on missionary work or preaching...which is EXACTLY when it's illegal in Saudi Arabia.

And yes...I know many die-hard Christians. My parents are die-hard Catholics. My brother-in-law is a die-hard Catholic (and principal at a Catholic High School). My other brother-in-law is a die-hard Christian...as a matter of fact, he is a working priest in the Episcopalian church. I have a friend who is a born-again baptist.

Guess what...the only one who would carry a bible is the Priest...and ONLY if he's on a working trip (you know...like missionary work or preaching - which again...is when it's illegal in Saudi Arabia). If he's on a pleasure trip with his family...there is no need to have a bible. He knows the thing cover-to-cover.

Is that some kind of tacit approval of Saudi Arabia's laws and policy?

I think you are wrong. Many Christians carry copies of the bible with them whenever they travel. One of my brothers married a sort of "holy roller" and they carry a bible with them when they travel.... and they aren't missionaries and never do any preaching.

I think you have a misunderstanding of many religious people.

I also doubt Saudi Arabia would allow anyone to carry a copy of the Talmud into the country. But then again people on the left seem to accept the extreme hatred and bigotry of Jews by Muslims. Strange for people who always seem to claim to despise racism.

But anyway Moby... we can discuss this another time. I have to get up early tomorrow for a project to rape and destroy the environment and spread garbage that future generations will be dealing with.

I have a bible in a metal carry case in my rig. (which would make sense, as one of my off-road clubs is a Christian ministry). I have one at work, too.

Madman, love ya kiddoll! God Bless!

If some one has the time. Maybe they can find something on here http://www.saudiembassy.net/NewsEventsMain.asp

I'm not the type to heckle the Special Olympics. Trust me, if you can actually get with the bullshit that was written, you're beyond the scope of reason. I know you enough by now to know that hysterics is really more your speed. I'll be here in the back if you need me...

Interesting story from the Saudi Executioner: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm

I'm sure as hell not gonna piss him off!

"Under the Gulf kingdom's strict Islamic Sharia laws, the death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use."

Should hack off the heads of a few druggies here - might make em think twice about it!