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#209239 - 19/10/05 11:39 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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That is why Texas rules. Here if it is at night, when most people are home sleeping, you can shoot to defend your property. That means if someone is running away with your wive's jewelry you can shoot them for it. These states that require you to abandon your home to the thieve are just plain stupid. You can also defend another person here in Texas. A woman getting raped would be a legal reason to shoot someone.

Robbery is a capitol offense IMO. If you are willing to break into someone's house, while they are there, you are obviously willing to do them harm in an encounter.
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#209240 - 19/10/05 11:56 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Also, go look up what the founding fathers wanted Americans to defend themselves from. Hint: It's not other Americans.
Really? Man, all those freaking history books were wrong!!! White men never killed native americans! So sayeth jorge, so it must be true!!!

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#209241 - 20/10/05 11:40 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Really? Man, all those freaking history books were wrong!!! White men never killed native americans! So sayeth jorge, so it must be true!!!
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I admit I didn't mean Native Americans when writing "Americans". Good point, thanks.
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#209242 - 20/10/05 02:14 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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White men never killed native americans!
Just a question...

...why are you so gleeful over the extermination of a race?

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#209243 - 20/10/05 06:40 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
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Originally posted by porsche996:
[b]White men never killed native americans!
Just a question...

...why are you so gleeful over the extermination of a race?[/b]
Just a guess....but I think it was "tongue-in-cheek"?

man, if you're this serious on a message board, you must really be something in real life, Hillary. :rolleyes:
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#209244 - 20/10/05 06:49 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by Tonka Ross:
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
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Originally posted by porsche996:
[b]White men never killed native americans!
Just a question...

...why are you so gleeful over the extermination of a race?[/b]
Just a guess....but I think it was "tongue-in-cheek"?[/b]
Just a hint...so was mine. :rolleyes:

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#209245 - 20/10/05 07:36 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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Also I see no reason for civilians to have assult weapons and hide behind the 2nd ammendment.
Exactly what do you consider an "assault weapon"? A knife can be an assault weapon. I've seen a VW Passat used as an assault weapon. Or do you just consider and firearm that looks scary to be an assault weapon? Personally, I'm more afraid of some nut armed with a .30-30 winchester lever action than I am of some nut with an AR-15 or variant.
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#209246 - 20/10/05 10:03 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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.....you or someone else must be under the threat of imminent death before you can legally use your weapon.........your claim always must be, I shot to STOP him. You never, ever meant to kill him, no matter what the situation. You only meant to STOP him.
First off, we have guys acroos the sea dealing with MUCH more dangerous adversaries. They must follow the Rules of Engagement (ROE), why shouldn't we?

Secondly, a gun is deadly force, period. If you fire, be prepared to kill. You can say you shot "to maim", but use of deadly force is a serious matter. The authorities and courts will not look kindly upon your trivialization of your use of deadly force.

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#209247 - 21/10/05 01:18 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
That is why Texas rules. Here if it is at night, when most people are home sleeping, you can shoot to defend your property. That means if someone is running away with your wive's jewelry you can shoot them for it. These states that require you to abandon your home to the thieve are just plain stupid. You can also defend another person here in Texas. A woman getting raped would be a legal reason to shoot someone.

Robbery is a capitol offense IMO. If you are willing to break into someone's house, while they are there, you are obviously willing to do them harm in an encounter.
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#209248 - 25/10/05 08:38 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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One other tip: If you ever find yourself in that situation, your claim always must be, I shot to STOP him. You never, ever meant to kill him, no matter what the situation. You only meant to STOP him.
Horrible advise. Like posted before the very act of shooting at someone is using deadly force. Your claim would be yes I shot to stop him but never put I didn't want to kill him. A defense lawyer will rip you a new one.
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#209249 - 27/10/05 08:00 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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#209250 - 27/10/05 11:01 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by X-Act:
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One other tip: If you ever find yourself in that situation, your claim always must be, I shot to STOP him. You never, ever meant to kill him, no matter what the situation. You only meant to STOP him.
Horrible advise. Like posted before the very act of shooting at someone is using deadly force. Your claim would be yes I shot to stop him but never put I didn't want to kill him. A defense lawyer will rip you a new one.[/b]
Again it depends on what state you are in. People need to keep that in mind. That is actually perfect advise for some places, Texas being one of them.
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#209251 - 27/10/05 02:55 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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I just don't see how one could justify shooting someone as they run away.

Sure, them stealing something of your's is wrong. But how could property even remotely be equated with someone's life?

(Note - I'm ONLY talking about property)
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#209252 - 28/10/05 11:12 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by 2001frontier:
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Originally posted by Paul Hartwig:
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Originally posted by X-Act:
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One other tip: If you ever find yourself in that situation, your claim always must be, I shot to STOP him. You never, ever meant to kill him, no matter what the situation. You only meant to STOP him.
Horrible advise. Like posted before the very act of shooting at someone is using deadly force. Your claim would be yes I shot to stop him but never put I didn't want to kill him. A defense lawyer will rip you a new one.[/b]
Again it depends on what state you are in. People need to keep that in mind. That is actually perfect advise for some places, Texas being one of them.[/b]
Doubtfull it is any different in Texas. Hell you can shoot people there for stealing shit. You don't want to say you only wanted to injure them. You might be alright criminally but you could get your ass sued off. Thats all I was saying.
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#209253 - 28/10/05 11:13 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
I just don't see how one could justify shooting someone as they run away.

Sure, them stealing something of your's is wrong. But how could property even remotely be equated with someone's life?

(Note - I'm ONLY talking about property)
Agreed.
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#209254 - 28/10/05 11:17 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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Because by breaking into your home, taking your stuff while you're there not knowing what other intentions the guy may have, he's just made an announcement to the world that his life isn't worth spit.

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#209255 - 28/10/05 08:53 PM Re: Guns in the house?
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Because by breaking into your home, taking your stuff while you're there not knowing what other intentions the guy may have, he's just made an announcement to the world that his life isn't worth spit.
I agree there also. If he is in your home and you announce yourself and he does anything but leave fuck him cap his ass. But if he is running away which is Moby's point he is not a danger to you any more. Why bother with shooting him. Seriously with the way courts are today it is NOT worth it for someone running away not threatening you.
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#209256 - 31/10/05 09:11 AM Re: Guns in the house?
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[b]Because by breaking into your home, taking your stuff while you're there not knowing what other intentions the guy may have, he's just made an announcement to the world that his life isn't worth spit.
I agree there also. If he is in your home and you announce yourself and he does anything but leave fuck him cap his ass. But if he is running away which is Moby's point he is not a danger to you any more. Why bother with shooting him. Seriously with the way courts are today it is NOT worth it for someone running away not threatening you.[/b]
How about just cap his ass to begin with. If he's armed, you may get killed if you make an "announcement".

I would never fire on someone who was running away. However, in CO, the law sides with the homeowner in his house no matter what the circumstances.

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