Ok.. so someone explain.. for beating his wife he could have received one year in prison and a $3,000 fine... but for spitting on a government employee he gets life.. humm seems fair

Wife beater spits

I really don't understand this world sometimes. Everything is so backwards.

Obviously the laws are in urgent need of review and revision.

Better make sure we constantly have cotton mouth. Otherwise this could be seen as carrying a concealed weapon. I mean WTF?! :rolleyes:

Sorry, he deserves life. He has previous convictions. He beats his wife. He assaulted a police officer.

He is a criminal, he does not benefit society. Get rid of him.

I don't disagree Ian.. my point was more the disparity between the sentence for each offence.

xoc, i think we all agree this idiot deserves life. but the problem is why he's getting life. he should be getting life for the wife beating and previous assaults on officers and not for "placing bodily fluid upon a government employee..." yeah, the end result is a just one, but their reason is ridiculous. so if i shook the hand of a govn't employee and my hand sweats on his hand, should i be convicted?!?

Laws have changed since diseases like HIV can be transmitted simply by spitting on someone.

Since they tested negative, those charges should be dropped, but he should still go away for being a pile of shit.

Let's get this straight. I've never raised my hand to a woman or a government official and will never, but just for shits and giggles, are we saying that he deserves a lifetime of butt fun because he hit his wife???

i'm only speaking for myself. he deserves life for his violent history of assaults and not for playing "catch my spit." it wasn't like this is his first offense. he's had previous convictions (plural) for assault. and who knows how many times he's beaten his wife. most wife beaters assault their wives quite frequently. so yeah, he deserves life just because i rather see him getting reamed in a cell by some guy named bubba than have him continue to beat his wife or assault police officers. no wife should be beaten by their husbands. end of story. maybe he'll realize that once the roles are reversed and he becomes someone's bitch.

Not just that, previous convictions for who knows what. Assaulting an officer (in addition to spitting on one) wife abuse.

This is a person who has chosen a path of hurting people and disrepect for laws and society.

We're better off without people like that.

Actually, HIV cannot be transmitted through saliva.

But yes, he still is a pile of shit.

I cannot believe I am total agreement with you. Yikes.

We yes and no. if he gets any mucas membrane in his spit I.E. a loogie then yes it can.

No. HIV is transmitted through blood, semen, vaginal fluids, and breast milk. It is not transmitted through saliva, sweat, tears, or urine.

Source: My mom, a Registered Nurse.

No.

The only way a mucous membrane is involved in the transmission of HIV is if there is blood in the assailant's saliva, which can be received by mucous membranes (for example, sinuses or nose, eyes . . . ) in the victim.

To date, saliva itself (or a "loogie" in the saliva) is not an HIV-transmission agent . . .

Source? Centers for Disease Control (CDC)

"In the health care setting, workers have been infected with HIV after being stuck with needles containing HIV-infected blood or, less frequently, after infected blood gets into a worker's open cut or a mucous membrane (for example, the eyes or inside of the nose). There has been only one instance of patients being infected by a health care worker in the United States; this involved HIV transmission from one infected dentist to six patients. Investigations have been completed involving more than 22,000 patients of 63 HIV-infected physicians, surgeons, and dentists, and no other cases of this type of transmission have been identified in the United States."

"HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."

I still disagree. The HIV virus is found in small amounts in slaiva and if someone spits into your eye so to speak it would have an easy pass to your blood stream.

I agree that spitting on your body will not give you aids as aids cannot survive outside the body for long at all. Just because it has never happened before doesnt mean it cannot.

Once again, it's proven that a cop's life is more valuable than a regular citizen's.

Sure, there are fine, outstanding cops out there. Plenty of them, I'm sure. But a cop is no more valuable than Joe in my opinion. In this case, the guy smacks the shit out of his wife, the person he's supposed to love and cherish, and gets a year, and he gets life for spitting, fucking spitting, on a cop.

Unfortunately, it comes with the job. Part of the respect I have for cops like Paul(Xman6) is because they put up with the shit day in, day out and most manage to still have a somewhat unskewed view on society. It sucks, but that's how it is.

I agree with Ian that he should be put away for a considerable amount of time, even life for that matter, but it's for the wrong reason.

He's not a regular citizen, he's a wife beating, cop beating, convicted criminal. Big difference.

I'm well aware of that. I was talking about his wife and/or anyone else the shitbag might have assaulted in the past.

Can't hold my tongue on this one. I'll start by saying that I agree that this P.O.S. should not get a life sentence for spitting on a cop. At the same time this kind of behavior more often than not goes unpunished. I'm a cop. I've had more than one frustrated crook spit in my face, several times when blood was present as a result of their losing the physical encounter they initiated with me.

Regardless of whether one can contract HIV, Hepatitis, or who knows what else in this manner I defy anyone to volunteer to be on the receiving end of such an act.

I can see the wheels turning.... Right now a couple of you are considering this but before you decide you wouldn't mind being spit on I have to remind you that most typically the people who resist arrest and treat the police in this manner are most often drug addicts and promiscuous. They're the most likely in the general population to actually have contracted the diseases we fear most.

In short - these people aren't your mothers - they're the worst our society has to offer. From what I understand, the guy who did this meets this description very specifically.

It's high time the courts sanctioned this kind of behavior. All too often it is the view of the public that police officers are paid to be assaulted and abused. With that said, I still agree that a life sentence for the mere act of spitting in a cop's face is excessive. Given this guy's background... I'm not losing any sleep over it either.

When was the last time you went to work and someone spit in your face, punched, kicked or otherwise physically assaulted you, threatened to kill you and your family, threatened to sexually assault your wife, your mother, and you daughter, ran you off the road, shot, stabbed, or otherwise attempted to kill you, sued you for doing your job, lied about you to get you fired or disciplined, called you a racist because you aren't a minority, or anything even approaching any of this?

When you're a cop you won't finish a shift without at least one of these things happening, a week without most of these things happening. Unfortunately every year thousands of officers are assaulted, hundreds are murdered, and every one of them is subjected to the relatively minor acts described above every year - And we do it for less money than your average used car salesman makes.

I agree that a cop's life is no more valuable than any one elses. The distinction most states have attempted to establish through this kind of legislation is that police officers are not just people - they are society's representatives. Spitting in a cop's face is spitting in society's face.

Well said. That is also why society (and the courts) expects more from a cop, and hold them to a higher standard than your average citizen. They must possess a higher level of ethics, morality and integrity than the average citizen, though that is not always the case. That is why when they do fuck up, and they will because they are still human, they are often judged more harshly than the average citizen.

So what do I think about the sentence handed down to the dipshit who spat in the cops face? It's a good thing all he got was a life sentence. If I was the cop who was assaulted by him, he may not have made it to court. Needless to say, I will never be a cop and certainly don't envy their job, but respect them for being in a very thankless profession.

To an extent, I believe it IS a bit more valuable. In Portland we have about 1300 officers. If 1300 civilians disappeared from our city overnight, it would be weird, but would not drastically alter the way of life for those of us that remain. If our 1300 cops disappeared overnight, and the criminals were allowed to run free, that would DRASTICALLY effect our way of life.

In that regard, I do believe a cop's life is worth more than the average person.