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#214231 - 07/10/03 07:07 PM FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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FoxNews just announced that their exit polling has Schwarzenegger winning with 49% of the vote!!!

there may be hope for CA yet

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#214232 - 07/10/03 07:10 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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governor schwarzeneggerreere?????? wow that's a mouthful. kinda cool ya know if arnuld wins that would be two actors from Predator that are govs, small world.
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#214233 - 07/10/03 07:15 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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didn't even think of that!

wonder what state is gonna get Carl Weathers

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#214234 - 07/10/03 07:21 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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i dont know about you but i want to vote for the predator for president, man he could tell all those asses out there where to go, hahahaha
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#214235 - 07/10/03 07:42 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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OH MY GOD:

"LATEST EXIT POLLS SHOW 59% VOTE 'YES' FOR RECALL, TOP CAMPAIGN AND MEDIA SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT, 51% FOR SCHWARZENEGGER, 30% FOR BUSTAMANTE, 13% MCCLINTOCK"

he walked over them

"Networks will 'Call' elections at 8:01pm PST, as soon as polls close"

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#214236 - 07/10/03 07:43 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I have lost all hope for California, and possibly the USA.

You people voted a very average actor who can't speak English into the most powerful office in the state.

Shame on you.
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#214237 - 07/10/03 07:45 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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LOL, but ian, whats worse the average poor-english speaking actor...

or the bribe taking, out of touch, power crisis and busget defecit causing incumbant

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#214238 - 07/10/03 07:47 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Larry Flynt was the only hope they had.
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#214239 - 07/10/03 07:52 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I saw Jesse Jackson on there before and he was bitching and moaning about all the minorities being "disenfranchised" in this election. He was bitching that students at universities were "disenfranchied" because they didn't set up polls at the schools. (Do you think he knows that legally registered voters get a notice in the mail telling them where their polling places are).

He said there will be numerous lawsuits filed tommorrow on behalf of those who were "disenfranchised". When asked if there will be any lawsuits filed if "Red" Davis won his response was a straight faced... "NO".

.................

Don't get too excited Todrick. Arnold is a liberal. That's the last thing California needs right now. Granted anyone is better than Davis, but I'm not sure he is the guy to clean up the state.

.................

The Democrats are still bitching about "voter rights" violations as I am typing this...

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#214240 - 07/10/03 07:57 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by NY Madman:
I saw Jesse Jackson on there before and he was bitching and moaning about all the minorities being "disenfranchised"
yeah i saw that...

fuck that racisist bastard...

arnold is about to win in such a landslide that the democrats will not have a leg to stand on with the "disenfranchised voters" angle...

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#214241 - 07/10/03 08:20 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by Todrick:
FoxNews just announced that their exit polling has Schwarzenegger winning with 49% of the vote!!!

there may be hope for CA yet
smile

Quote:
Originally posted by xoc:
I have lost all hope for California, and possibly the USA.

You people voted a very average actor who can't speak English into the most powerful office in the state.

Shame on you.
[Huh?] Okay... you have a right to your opinion.

Quote:
Originally posted by xoc:
Larry Flynt was the only hope they had.
Okay [Spit] ... you just lost any legitimacy with that statement.

Quote:
Originally posted by Todrick:
...arnold is about to win in such a landslide that the democrats will not have a leg to stand on with the "disenfranchised voters" angle...
laugh [Smoking] laugh

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#214242 - 07/10/03 08:35 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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A huge shame........ It looks like CA's Proposition 54 will be rejected.

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#214243 - 07/10/03 08:54 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Looks like ILLEGAL aliens(not the space kind) will not be getting Drivers Licenses. wink laugh

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#214244 - 07/10/03 09:00 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Conan:

Looks like ILLEGAL aliens(not the space kind) will not be getting Drivers Licenses.
Congrats Conan.... You guys got rid of "Red" Davis.

I wish Arnold and all Californians the best of luck. You are going to need it. I hope Arnold does the right things.

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#214245 - 07/10/03 09:14 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I didn't vote for Arnold. He had too many unanswered questions for me to be comfortable clicking his name.

On the flip side, Arnold is successful in just about anything that he does. He was successful as an athelete, as a businessman, etc. Who knows, he may use his midas touch and give CA the boost that it needs. [Freak]
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#214246 - 07/10/03 09:15 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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the US of A is one giant reality show, a guy who can not act and barely speak english gets voted as governor [LOL] [LOL] what is the world coming to, now all we need is Hilary Clinton to win next year and history has been made yet again....man you guys have some fucked up politics.
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#214247 - 07/10/03 09:23 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by Claus A Christensen:
....man you guys have some fucked up politics.
Coming from a Canadian :rolleyes: ... that is very complimentary. [Laughing]

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#214248 - 07/10/03 09:28 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Okay [Spit] ... you just lost any legitimacy with that statement.
You're kidding right ?
Flynt was the only true American in the running. The only candidate who cares about what this country is made of.
Big deal if he's in the porn industry, he's honest and cares about this country.

Go ahead and have your actor-governor, at least that will keep him out of movies for 4 years.
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#214249 - 07/10/03 09:31 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Claus A Christensen:

the US of A is one giant reality show, a guy who can not act and barely speak english gets voted as governor [LOL] [LOL] what is the world coming to, now all we need is Hilary Clinton to win next year and history has been made yet again....man you guys have some fucked up politics.
Coming from a guy who lives in one of the most leftist, socialist, insanely multiculturalist, moral relativist, immoral terrorist supporting countries in the Western world.... that means a lot.

When your idiot PM Cretin retires, maybe you can get a job cleaning his bags of weed and rolling his joints (What a fucking disgrace).

You live in the epicenter of insanity and you really have no business criticizing any other country's politics.

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#214250 - 07/10/03 09:41 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by xoc:
Quote:
Originally posted by Conan:
[b]Okay [Spit] ... you just lost any legitimacy with that statement.
You're kidding right ?
Flynt was the only true American in the running. The only candidate who cares about what this country is made of.
Big deal if he's in the porn industry, he's honest and cares about this country.

Go ahead and have your actor-governor, at least that will keep him out of movies for 4 years.[/b]
Mary Carey for Lt. Governor. Unfortunantely we have to keep our current Lt. Governor. You would like her... she is a porn star... is honest(she flpped off Leno)... bad actress though.

Well 2 out of 3 isn't too bad. laugh

Oh I forgot... acting doesn't matter in porn movies. wink

Three out of three. [Wave]

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#214251 - 07/10/03 10:32 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by NY Madman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Claus A Christensen:

the US of A is one giant reality show, a guy who can not act and barely speak english gets voted as governor [LOL] [LOL] what is the world coming to, now all we need is Hilary Clinton to win next year and history has been made yet again....man you guys have some fucked up politics.
Coming from a guy who lives in one of the most leftist, socialist, insanely multiculturalist, moral relativist, immoral terrorist supporting countries in the Western world.... that means a lot.

When your idiot PM Cretin retires, maybe you can get a job cleaning his bags of weed and rolling his joints (What a fucking disgrace).

You live in the epicenter of insanity and you really have no business criticizing any other country's politics.
Sure I do !, Everyone has a voice..tell me Arnold got voted in due to his convincing solution to all Californias problems?. FUCK NO he was voted governor due to Kindergarden Cop, Conan,Terminatorfuckingdiealready...

You know my view of Cretien, he is a clown, but as for living in the epicenter of insanity?. Come visit some times spend a week I am sure you could shed some of that paranoid "sleeping with a gun under my pillow" sickness you seem to suffer from. I pay tax I have a roof over my head I don't lay sleepless if I do not lock my door and yes Pocession of pot in BC is now legal...shit I should have bought a Mc Donalds franchise...you know munchies!.

Lighten the fuck up Madman.... [Wave]
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#214252 - 07/10/03 11:13 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Claus A Christensen:

You know my view of Cretien, he is a clown, but as for living in the epicenter of insanity?. Come visit some times spend a week I am sure you could shed some of that paranoid "sleeping with a gun under my pillow" sickness you seem to suffer from. I pay tax I have a roof over my head I don't lay sleepless if I do not lock my door and yes Pocession of pot in BC is now legal...shit I should have bought a Mc Donalds franchise...you know munchies!.

Lighten the fuck up Madman....
I am light. I am happy. I'm so friggin happy my ancestors never emigrated to Canada, I am beside myself.

You have no voice here in America. You have no voice in Canada.

I think you Canadians should get your act together before you get on your high horse and criticize America. Your government and society leave a lot to be desired. Much more so than ours. Besides.. you're too much of a leech or coward to even committ yourself to citizenship of a country you have been living in for over a dozen years. That says a lot about you. Are you collecting some kind of benefits from socialism too? There must be a reason you don't make a committment of citizenship. It must be advantageous to be a resident alien in Canada. What are you collecting or receiving from the legitimate taxpayers that keeps you complacent in this status? You sound like a real "stand up" guy.

Who sleeps with a gun under their pillow? You watch too many movies.... and believe them.

Yeah... we all should have bought McDonald's franchises years ago. Almost all owners became millioniares.

If I were in Canada right now I would be looking into a weed franchise. You people have no morals. Your retired politicians could be your biggest customer base.

Now... what were you saying about our politicians?

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#214253 - 08/10/03 05:23 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I am glad I don't live in California. I am glad Arnold won the election. I don't think he is all that, but he is better than the rest. This doesn't affect me one bit, so ppppffffftttttt.

Why do you all choose to live in that state anyway?

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#214254 - 08/10/03 05:39 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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An open letter from me to Dipstick:

Please tell me one thing that Schwarzenegger has said that will save California.

Please tell me why you're so threatened by Canadian Government. Is it because it's working?

Please tell me why you believe Canada
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is the most leftist, socialist, insanely multiculturalist, moral relativist, immoral terrorist supporting countries in the Western world....
You are obviously VERY ignorant, because you're forgetting The Netherlands. Amazing to me, since you conservatives always jump all over Amsterdam.

PS...exactly HOW is Canada supporting terrorism. Are you possibly saying we should INVADE them??

Why would that not surprise me?

Quote:
You live in the epicenter of insanity and you really have no business criticizing any other country's politics.
This, coming from a New Yorker. SOX ALL THE WAY!!!!

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#214255 - 08/10/03 06:32 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by xterra312002:
governor schwarzeneggerreere?????? wow that's a mouthful. kinda cool ya know if arnuld wins that would be two actors from Predator that are govs, small world.
Jesse isn't Gov. anymore (Thank God!!!)

His new career is going smashingly!! :rolleyes:
Ventura TV Show debuts to 48,000 viewers...
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#214256 - 08/10/03 08:58 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by NY Madman:[b]
I am light. I am happy. I'm so friggin happy my ancestors never emigrated to Canada, I am beside myself.

You have no voice here in America. You have no voice in Canada.

I think you Canadians should get your act together before you get on your high horse and criticize America. Your government and society leave a lot to be desired. Much more so than ours. Besides.. you're too much of a leech or coward to even committ yourself to citizenship of a country you have been living in for over a dozen years. That says a lot about you. Are you collecting some kind of benefits from socialism too? There must be a reason you don't make a committment of citizenship. It must be advantageous to be a resident alien in Canada. What are you collecting or receiving from the legitimate taxpayers that keeps you complacent in this status? You sound like a real "stand up" guy.

Who sleeps with a gun under their pillow? You watch too many movies.... and believe them.

Yeah... we all should have bought McDonald's franchises years ago. Almost all owners became millioniares.

If I were in Canada right now I would be looking into a weed franchise. You people have no morals. Your retired politicians could be your biggest customer base.

Now... what were you saying about our politicians?[/QB]
You know what madman, you are right. I should not be talking about something I have no right to speak about, I retract my statement.

You are also bang on that Canada is a pretty fucked up country with whimpy politicians and a domestic policy that allows almost any alien to enter the country thus exposing the US.

Thank you for pointing out how much of a leech I am not applying for Canadian citizenship. You are right how can I live in a country and not contribute by becoming a canadian?. Your point is valid and I will take it into consideration when I decide what to do.

I was wrong to call you a paranoid. I do not know you personally but judging from your posts here you are intelligent and very well informed. I admire your values and your love for your country, something I have not had as I am not a native Canadian.

I hope you will accept my apology, I was out of line and should not have made any statements.
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#214257 - 08/10/03 09:03 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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*sniff, sniff*

Is that sarcasm I smell?? smile

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#214258 - 08/10/03 09:05 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by WilMac1023:
*sniff, sniff*

Is that sarcasm I smell?? smile
Nope, he is absolutly right.
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#214259 - 08/10/03 09:07 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Claus? Are you ok? I must have missed the glaring sarcasm tags.

NYfagman said:
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If I were in Canada right now I would be looking into a weed franchise. You people have no morals. Your retired politicians could be your biggest customer base.
What's immoral about weed? If you believe in God how can you possibly find it immoral. Didn't he say something like use the fruit of the earth? Didn't he create weed here for us? And if you're athiest, like me, logic will tell you that using a natural substance is far less immoral than allowing and benefiting from the taxation of consumption of manmade drugs (alcohol).

You're one of the biggest idiots and closed minded people I've ever witnessed. Keep it up, it's really interesting to see there are fucked up people like yourself and Snarl who don't live anywhere near me. Oh, and last night I slept with my front door unlocked. I have no idea where my Swiss Army Knife is either.

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#214260 - 08/10/03 09:08 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Well, at least he can't become President . . .

. . . unless Orin Hatch gets his amendment through . . . [Geek]
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#214261 - 08/10/03 09:40 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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The dude is just a Govenor.
With all the appointed chief justices that Red Davis appointed and the Lt. Gov, Arnold will not be able to do shit.
He will be nothing but a figure head.
Im glad he won. I still love the saying "Only in California"
I am also glad I do not live there anymore.
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#214262 - 08/10/03 02:35 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Gary Coleman was California's last chance. The whole fucking state might as well drop off into the ocean now... :rolleyes:

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#214263 - 08/10/03 06:49 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Andre the Giant:
Gary Coleman was California's last chance. The whole fucking state might as well drop off into the ocean now...
Damn, am I the only one happy to see Andre posting again? smile
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#214264 - 08/10/03 08:14 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by Claus A Christensen:

I hope you will accept my apology, I was out of line and should not have made any statements.
Damn Claus..... I admit I may have been a little hard on you personally but I never expected you to eat such a large helping of humble pie. Even though there was a certain amount of sarcasm to your meal... I like your new style.

I know you are not responsible for the insanity that is the modern Canadian government. I sometimes jump the gun when I see Euro's and Canadians criticizing America and if it means anything I will also have a piece of that pie and say I am sorry for jumping down your throat (My opinions of Canada however will always stand).

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Superjens.... There is nothing immoral about weed itself. There is however a larger immorality prevelant in any government that legalizes a narcotic substance and acquiesces to its proliferation amongst its population.

Yes I believe in God... unlike you. Not all natural substances are meant for abuse. Opiates are natural substances too. Does your superior atheist open mindedness warrant wide acceptance and governmental allowance of these drugs also? I realize weed may be an important issue to you. It is to all potheads. It is wrong and also a sign of immorality in any government to openly allow narcotics abuse in its people. But.... seeing the current state of the Canadian government I guess it is too much to expect sanity or clarity on any important issues from them.

By the way... Cool off on the name calling. I realize you don't like me but I don't believe I've attacked you by calling you names. If that's what you want to do... then so be it. I will forget about it considering I may have made some statements about your country that may have broken through the pot smoke and touched a grain of truth and reality and probably upset you. You can attack me without the name calling or comparing me to the werewolf freak being talked about in another thread. I thought all you liberals operated from a 'higher' plane.

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WilPac...... I never claimed Arnold (Kennedy) Schwarzenegger was going to save California. You have to start actually reading posts before you respond. I have always stated I am skeptical of him and I would not have voted for him if I lived out there. The only thing I wished him is luck.

You leftists always get bent out of shape when anyone with an (R) party affiliation wins any election. Regardless of whether their philosophy is closer to yours than mine.

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#214265 - 08/10/03 09:38 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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NY Madman I am SO SORRY I offended you, please I beg before you on bended knee that you find it in your heart to find sympathy for this poor, misguided non-Christian Canadian. I can only one day hope to be as open minded and morally correct as you, for I have seen the light and it truly is the NY Madman way.

I hereby renounce my old self and will strive to be better. Please pray for me.


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#214266 - 08/10/03 10:09 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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NY Madman I am SO SORRY I offended you, please I beg before you on bended knee that you find it in your heart to find sympathy for this poor, misguided non-Christian Canadian.
You never offended me. I was only responding to what appeared to be my offense of YOU. It seemed your bong water was boiling in your last post.

I think you may have been hitting the bong too much guy.

I have however noticed that you people up there are all too willing to get on your knees.

Put the bong down, shut off the Hammy Hamster reruns and open the window and let some fresh air in.

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#214267 - 09/10/03 06:02 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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LOL You're such an idiot. Keep it up!

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#214268 - 09/10/03 12:09 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by DocNo:
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Originally posted by Andre the Giant:
[b]Gary Coleman was California's last chance. The whole fucking state might as well drop off into the ocean now...
Damn, am I the only one happy to see Andre posting again? smile [/b]
I can assure you... you are quite alone. There can be only one!
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#214269 - 09/10/03 05:04 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Quote:
Originally posted by xoc:
I have lost all hope for California, and possibly the USA.

You people voted a very average actor who can't speak English into the most powerful office in the state.

Shame on you.
Why? I would rather have a well-educated business man, who happens to speak with an accent smile , than a corrupt, "cater to special-interests" career politician.

The government needs to be run like a business, hence a business man should be in charge. Not a politician.

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#214270 - 09/10/03 06:01 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I would rather have a well-educated business man, who happens to speak with an accent smile , than a corrupt, "cater to special-interests" career politician.
Aren't all politicians "cater to special-interests," regardless of whether they are a first timer or not?
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#214271 - 09/10/03 06:55 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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You have to be somewhat. In this country you don't stand a very good chance of getting an office like the Governor of Califonia unless you are at least loosely affiliated with one of the two major political parties.

I don't completely agree with him at all. I think he is really a liberal at heart, and wonder why he doesn't just run with the Democrats. I do admire him because he doesn't really tow any party line it seems. He isn't my governor, but the job is definately important to the entire country.
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#214272 - 09/10/03 08:35 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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its called being a moderate

he is liberal on social issues and conservative on economics and government...

honestly i find it hilarious... the Republicans are in for a nasty surprise, i keep hearing them make comments that sound like CA just became a conservative state or one that bush can win... LOL

Arnold did not get elected because he was a republican, he did not get elected because he wasn't a democrat....

he got elected because he was the anti-davis...
Had he came on strong with conservative views on social issues he would never have been elected... CA is moderate(contrary to popular opinion) only 31% of people who voted call themselves liberal,

I would say as a whole anyone who thinks that the two parties are relevant to the "average American" is out of touch with said "average American". From where i sit, and i think this election backs it up, the "average American" is not concerned about the parties, very few Americans are "Liberal" on all issues, and few are "conservative" on every issue.

It would do the republicans a lot of good to chill on the social issues. If the conservatives lightened up on gay marriage, abortion and/or a couple of other issues, they would be unstoppable.

sadly, I'm sure they wont figure this out, and will instead continue trying to convince people that they are "right"

-----edited to add------

oh my god!
where the hell did that rant come from?
[/slowly backing away from soap box]

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#214273 - 09/10/03 08:52 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Todrick:

its called being a moderate

he is liberal on social issues and conservative on economics and government...

honestly i find it hilarious... the Republicans are in for a nasty surprise, i keep hearing them make comments that sound like CA just became a conservative state or one that bush can win... LOL

Arnold did not get elected because he was a republican, he did not get elected because he wasn't a democrat....

he got elected because he was the anti-davis...
Had he came on strong with conservative views on social issues he would never have been elected... CA is moderate(contrary to popular opinion) only 31% of people who voted call themselves liberal,

I would say as a whole anyone who thinks that the two parties are relevant to the "average American" is out of touch with said "average American". From where i sit, and i think this election backs it up, the "average American" is not concerned about the parties, very few Americans are "Liberal" on all issues, and few are "conservative" on every issue.

It would do the republicans a lot of good to chill on the social issues. If the conservatives lightened up on gay marriage, abortion and/or a couple of other issues, they would be unstoppable.

sadly, I'm sure they wont figure this out, and will instead continue trying to convince people that they are "right"
Jeez.... I don't know where to start...

A moderate today really means somewhat liberal.

There is no such thing as being "liberal on social issues and conservative on economic issues". That is a form of propaganda the left uses frequently to basically hide the fact that they are on the left. In order to be "liberal on social issues" you have to spend a lot of money and in most cases expand the government to administer these social programs. This is contradictory to being an "economic conservative". The whole term and concept is bullshit and an invention of the left.

I haven't heard any "real" conservatives say CA is now a conservative state. Maybe some phoney conservatives and Republicans. No real ones.

If the conservatives lightened up on gay marriage, abortion and/or a couple of other issues, they would not be "conservatives". They would be on the left and would be LIBERALS. What the hell are you talking about here Todrick?

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#214274 - 10/10/03 12:09 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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lol.... OK.
am i liberal?
or conservative?

I am:
  • Pro Choice, But support parental notification and oppose "partial birth" abortions
  • in favor of increased military spending and think the down-sizing of our military was one of the biggest mistakes America has ever made
  • Definitely a supporter of the death penalty... I even think it should be easier to execute and for more offenses... like drunk driving, if it results in vehicular manslaughter, the drunk driver should be tried for 1st degree murder
  • anti-union
  • in favor of increasing minimum wage to a livable wage
  • in favor of a flat tax
  • strongly in favor of political reforms... including but not limited to the abolishment of the electoral college
  • Strongly against gun control... I believe AZ has the perfect gun laws... virtually none
  • In favor of the legalization and taxation of marijuana
  • Gay marriage should be legal, baring that companies & governments should give "life partners" all the benefits of married heterosexual couples
  • against affirmative action
  • against prayer in school... of any religion
  • in favor of a "national language" (English) all government documents and communication should be in english... learn it of suffer
  • in favor of tightening our borders... hell go militarized... but stop the damn illegals from coming in
  • in favor of laws such as CA's failed prop 187(requiring proof of citizenship to get medical care, enroll kids in school, etc.)
  • most of all I'm sick of all these cry babies... all these racists, who call everyone else a racist... all the "You all owe me, don't you see I'm different" and in the next breath "you only say that cause I'm different than you, racist" its fucking rediculous... i don't give a fuck if your white, red, black, yellow of fuckin purple... so why do you? get over it.

(that last one was aimed at said cry-babies, and was not aimed at anyone on this bored)
anyway as far as i can tell im niether... i would never claim to be conservative and never liberal... as both terms i find offensive... so what do you call that?

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#214275 - 10/10/03 02:00 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Todrick:

lol.... OK.
am i liberal?
or conservative?

I am:

[*]Pro Choice, But support parental notification and oppose "partial birth" abortions
That's a liberal position. Any pro-abortion position is a liberal position. Not conservative and not moderate. Why oppose "patial birth" but still think it is OK at he sixth month or third? The method of death is extremely brutal in "partial birth", but you seem to have made a distinction in the gestation timeline.

A non parental notification in abortions for minors is not only an immoral and hard left stance, it is societal insanity. It is also one of many hard left positions of removing parental rights.

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[*]in favor of increased military spending and think the down-sizing of our military was one of the biggest mistakes America has ever made
A conservative position.

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[*]Definitely a supporter of the death penalty... I even think it should be easier to execute and for more offenses... like drunk driving, if it results in vehicular manslaughter, the drunk driver should be tried for 1st degree murder
Supporting the death penalty can be construed as a conservative position by those on the left who oppose it. However many conservatives do not support this issue for reasons of religious faith. They prefer life imprisonment.

The death penalty for drunk driving is insane Todrick. The death penalty is reserved for premeditated murder and murder committed in the act of committing a felony. Accidental vehicular manslaughter in no way meets this definition. This is a highly extreme position you have taken and seems a bit irrational.

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[*]anti-union
Can be construed as a conservative position... however many union members are conservative on many issues. The problems with unions and any type of "collectivism" is that those in charge of any type of collective interests are prone to corruption and rarely serve their empowered collective interests. History has proven when collective interests are empowered over the indivdual, the individual suffers and is unfairly subjugated. Unions in our modern society are an economic hindrance.

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[*]in favor of increasing minimum wage to a livable wage
A hard left liberal position. Who decides what is a livable wage? Depending on the wage set... you could shut down a large portion of the economy and force much of what's left of the economy to move underground (all wages off the books) therefore reducing tax revenues. That is whats left of the economy. A blue print for societal economic destruction and a further move towards a state controlled economy.

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[*]in favor of a flat tax
A generally considered conservative position.

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[*]strongly in favor of political reforms... including but not limited to the abolishment of the electoral college
A hard left position and one that would immediately initiate a move for at least 40 or more states to secede from the union. It could never happen because those states would have to agree to it in a constitutional amendment. The scenario is unimaginable. There would be no reason for them to stay within the republic considering all presidential elections would be dictated by the few most populated states. Without a voice in the executive branch, it would be stupid for them to continue in the union. The electoral system is brilliant and took many factors into consideration in its design. You want to throw the baby out with the bath water because you think the system failed you once?

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[*]Strongly against gun control... I believe AZ has the perfect gun laws... virtually none
Pro-second amendment. Definitely conservative.

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[*]In favor of the legalization and taxation of marijuana
Very liberal and maybe left wing.

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[*]Gay marriage should be legal, baring that companies & governments should give "life partners" all the benefits of married heterosexual couples
That's definitely a left wing position.

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[*]against affirmative action
A conservative position

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[*]against prayer in school... of any religion
A liberal position. The hard left however just wants to end Christian and some Jewish influence. They want to make acceptions for Muslims and other 3rd world religions all in the name of "cultural tolerance" or "diversity" or whatever the anti-traditional American or anti-Judeo/Christian bullshit of the day is called.

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[*]in favor of a "national language" (English) all government documents and communication should be in english... learn it of suffer
I would say that's a conservative position and also a sane position. Language is the primary cohesion of any functional and united society.

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[*]in favor of tightening our borders... hell go militarized... but stop the damn illegals from coming in
A conservative position.

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[*]in favor of laws such as CA's failed prop 187(requiring proof of citizenship to get medical care, enroll kids in school, etc.)
A conservative position. (One that would not be needed if the government adhered to the previous position)

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[*]most of all I'm sick of all these cry babies... all these racists, who call everyone else a racist... all the "You all owe me, don't you see I'm different" and in the next breath "you only say that cause I'm different than you, racist" its fucking rediculous... i don't give a fuck if your white, red, black, yellow of fuckin purple... so why do you? get over it.
A conservative position (You wouldn't need this position on anything if it were not for the hard leftists in the racial business). A perfect example is the lefties on this board. They are quick to call anyone who does not buy into racial politics ... a racist. You would also have to include people like yourself in here somewhat. Doesn't the hard left always call any one who does not buy into their homosexual agenda a "homophobe"? I know you have called me that. The "homophobe" garbage is a parallel argument to the outlandish racial issues. You think it is a civil right. A conservative does not think sexual deviance is a civil right. You don't even care if it is for religious reasons. Not surprising since you are an atheist.

Most conservatives are not atheists.

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Well Todrick..... you're definitely not a conservative. You hold too many liberal and even some leftist type positions to even consider yourself conservative. Regardless of the fact that you seem to agree with some conservative ideas.

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#214276 - 10/10/03 05:16 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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10 Conservative stands...

6 Liberal stands...

Yet, Dipstick still calls him a liberal. I'd agree with Todrick. He's a moderate, with conservative tendencies.

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#214277 - 10/10/03 09:43 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Fuck... All I hope for is the abolishment of that vehicle registration tax... My X's registration is due by the end of the year!!! Nuff said...

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#214278 - 10/10/03 01:01 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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right... im moderate.... leaning a bit left.
and Arnold is Moderate, leaning a bit right.

regardless i can agree with him more than Gumby Gray Davis...

Just to point out... about the Drunk Driving...

If a person drives drunk i believe the crime should be "Attempted murder" with the car as a deadly weapon...

If they do kill someone that becomes premeditated murder simply due to the fact that knowing the risks invlove the knowing mad the decision to drive while intoxicated...

its a stratech i know, but the DD laws are a joke.... and I was mainly using it as an example of some of the laws that could be changed

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#214279 - 10/10/03 01:09 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Mobycat:
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Originally posted by Stonecoldchavez:
[b]I would rather have a well-educated business man, who happens to speak with an accent smile , than a corrupt, "cater to special-interests" career politician.
Aren't all politicians "cater to special-interests," regardless of whether they are a first timer or not?[/b]
True. Even more reason for Arnold to be Gov. He surely doesn't need the special interest's money or other kickbacks.

Plus, he will take the problems to the people(like what should be done) and air them out in the public. Unlike what goes on now (backdoor politics).

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#214280 - 10/10/03 02:29 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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I just realized madman ignored my question...

based on my views, what am I?

Conservative
Liberal
or the label you don't think exists... Moderate

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#214281 - 11/10/03 06:20 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Originally posted by Todrick:
I just realized madman ignored my question...

based on my views, what am I?

Conservative
Liberal
or the label you don't think exists... Moderate
I would say a moderate, which is still to the left of where you should be. Oh well, maybe in a few years.

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#214282 - 16/10/03 01:15 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Look everybody!! They've got that post-coital glow!

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#214283 - 17/10/03 11:21 AM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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Hey! What is George grabbing??

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#214284 - 23/10/03 06:53 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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The top of your head. [Finger]

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#214285 - 23/10/03 07:16 PM Re: FoxNews Exit Polls = Gov. Schwarzenegger
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HAHAHAHAH! One of the funniest posts I've seen in a LONG time! [LOL]
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