Generat Tire "Grabbers" have proved to be the most dangerous tires on an SUV since Firestones. They are like ice-skates on wet pavement. Numerous accidents and injuries have been attributed to them since they started production.

We all know people who have big problems with this tire and many near-disasters. Most of us try to replace them as soon as we can.

They are no longer put on Xterras because Nissan had so many complaints, yet no recall of these dangerous tires has been announced by General Tire. They should be recalled and replaced with SAFE tires by General.

In order to do this we need to start a campaign
to bring this serious problem to the attention of the National Highway Traffic Saftey Commission
of the US Government. Another option is to institute a CLASS_ACTION law suit for all owners of Grabbers. This will help to get replacement tires or compensation for the unsafe tires which we were sold with our Xterras.

All those who have had problems with their Grabbers and those who have had accidents should respond. A data base will be helpful in proving our case.

Dude!

Why didn't this get posted earlier!!!??!? I just replaced my set of grabbers one month ago. I only had 25000 miles on my stock set. If I could have gotten some cash from General Tire, that would have been sweet!

My neighbor has a new, 2002 Alpine Green SE, still has the paper plates from the dealer, and big 'ol General Grabbers . . .

When did Nissan stop using General?

I've seen Grabbers on 02's as well. I don't think Nissan stopped using them due to complaints. Agreed, the tires suck (at least off-road) and I got rid of mine after only 5K miles, but I think Mr. Let's Start A Class Action Law Suit is full of it. I don't know of anybody here who had an accident that was specifically attributed to having Grabbers on their X.

In fact (and not that I agree with this) I have seen Grabbers as being rated fairly high in some consumer mags for an all purpose highway tire.

according to http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/comp2.cfm?SearchTopic=Tires (do a search for Make: General -> Model: Grabbers and leave the last list box unchanged), there are almost 50 complaints against this make/model of tire. glad my '02 doesn't have them (gonna switch to pirelli scorpions soon, anyway ).

Hate to say it but 50 complaints out of hundereds of thousands of tires is insignificant. It's going to take a lot more than that to get anything going. That said; I agree they are lousy tires; possibly even worse than the BFG Long Trails that were used before them. Question is, are they bad enough for a class action lawsuit? Probably not, unless there are many fatalities associated with them.

Take your unsubstantiated bullshit somewhere else.

i agree 110%, but i also wonder how many other incidents out there have gone unreported.

I found the grabbers to be fine on pavement. I could slide if I chose to, but in a 4,000 pound rear wheel drive vehicle thats hardly surpising.
Sounds like some people need to learn to drive a bit more smoothly.

My only complaint is that they're not wearing out fast enough so that I can replace them with BFG's.

I just replaced my Grabbers today with a set of 265/75-16 Pireli Scorpion AT tires. Only 3700 miles on the Grabbers and already wearing the tread down fast, not to mention the 2" sidewall cut in the left front.

who are you?

I am with Ian.
Keep the BS off this board!!
They are still sold by the thousands every day, and they still come on Xterras.
Go to your dealer and see whats on them.

What sweatloaf, Ian and others have said.

They're still on the new X's dude, I don't know where you got your information from, but it's wrong. And I was just at the dealer yesterday.

As Chuck mentioned, 50 out of hundreds of thousands doesn't mean shit.

What other tires does Nissan equip Xs with?
My X has the BFG Long Trails. The X got Gen Grabbers for 01 and I guess for 02.

BFG LT's & Grabbers went on all models, all years. That's the only two I've really seen, an occasional(and I mean blue moon) BFG AT.

who are YOU?

I think its safe to say that whoever this person is who started this string has not done any REAL research.....

1. Like everyone has said 50 complaints out of thousands does not constitute a class action suit.

2. Obviously Nissan is still putting Grabbers on their trucks, so they think that they are "ok" tires. Not the best but "ok."

3. Lastly, I think some people are always out to make a quick buck....

Peace

Take your unsubstantiated bullshit somewhere else
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From the 2WD section of this Club...

"No kidding about the hydroplaning. Man, these tires SUCK when it comes to wet driving, big reason why I flipped my X last year."

Driving too fast for conditions. All tires hydroplane depending on how deep the water is. There is only so much water a tire design is capable of moving out from underneath itself.

You class action people make me sick to my stomach. Always trying to make a buck, and blaming other people or products for your own ignorance and inabilities.

And I quote Blade, the movie

"Some Mother-Fu*$@ers always trying to ice skate uphill."

mine, and most of the other X's (approx 30) at the dealer i bought from had BFG AT's...

I woke up in a SoHo doorway/ A policeman knew my name/
He said You can go sleep at home tonight/ If you can get up and walk away . . .

Apologies in advance if I botched the lyrics . . .

Not that I agree with a class action suit......but....

http://www.xterraownersclub.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000071

ATs, as in All-Terrain, as in a real off-road tire? Not unless your dealer decided to have this done himself, no way in hell they rolled out of the factory on BFG ATs. Xterras have only come with BFG Long Trails, General Grabbers, and in 02 some come with BFG Rugged Trails (just the 17" on the '02s SE/SCs I think). Nissan wouldn't get a small batch of ATs unless it were for something special, like Jeep did with the Rubicon, otherwise they buy in large quantities to get a big discount.

Kudos to your dealer if they really did put ATs on, though they probably charged you a good bit more for them than they paid to have them put on.

Brent

Would rather see them put proper tires on than all that other crap. Saw an 02 XE/SC 4x4 at the dealer yesterday. They wanted $29,000 for it after they added leather "appearance" and brush/tail light guards...

ooh wa ooh wa ooh wa ooh wa...

Hey everyone! Just the facts!
1. No BFG AT has ever left the factory, just Long Trails, Rugged
Trails, and the steamin' POS Grabbers.
2.Grabbers are still put on everyday.
3. And now my first harsh words to any one on this board, "You sir, are a total fucking dumbass! Get a damn clue!

My 2002 SC/SE has the 17" BFG Rugged Trails.

Who Made Who?

So according to the news...

"Continental Tire North America, Inc. today announced that it is initiating a voluntary safety recall of 595,000 of its Continental P275/60R17 ContiTrac AW and General Grabber AW P275/60R17 tires. Consumers will receive free replacements."

Damn, I was hoping for a free set of tires.

Were (are) your tires the same size as what was reported in the news? I don't know of any 2000 Xterra that has 17 inch wheels.

"Take your unsubstantiated bullshit somewhere else."
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What is an OWNER'S CLUB for if it refuses to bring attention to an obvious problem????? See news release, below, and change your attitude!
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Continental Tire North America Initiates Voluntary Recalls

Charlotte, NC - (Monday, August 19, 2002) Continental Tire North America, Inc. today announced that it is initiating a voluntary safety recall of 595,000 of its Continental P275/60R17 ContiTrac AW and General Grabber AW P275/60R17 tires. Consumers will receive free replacements.

The tires involved have DOT codes from 109 to 4400. They were produced between March 1999 and October 2000 and furnished as original equipment on 106,701 2000-model year and certain 2001-model year two-wheel-drive Ford Expedition and two-wheel-drive Lincoln Navigator sport utility vehicles. Approximately 60,000 of the tires are in the replacement market.

Still doesnt constitute for a class action lawsuit...

There have been many recalls in the past from all manufacturers from food to include entire vehicles....

A class acion lawsuit only mandates that in the case where mulitple injuries to different people has occured. Obviously this flaw in the tires have been caught and recalled for replacement. In the case of Firestone...there were many many injuries and still no recall. The recall only happened after the lawsuit was settled....

Those tires were never on the Xterra, so you are still full of shit.

"Hate to say it but 50 complaints out of hundereds of thousands of tires is insignificant. It's going to take a lot more than that to get anything going. That said; I agree they are lousy tires; possibly even worse than the BFG Long Trails that were used before them. Question is, are they bad enough for a class action lawsuit? Probably not, unless there are many fatalities associated with them."
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How many Xterra deaths will you wait for until you(all) take action???

See this news report. Ford is on top of this situation. What about NISSAN?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020820/ap_on_re_us/tire_recall_4

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DesertRAT:
[QB]Show me one documented case on an Xterra and I might start to believe you.
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From the 2WD section of this Club...

"No kidding about the hydroplaning. Man, these tires SUCK when it comes to wet driving, big reason why I flipped my X last year."

Somehow I think too much speed for the conditions was the other reason for the flip. Just me but it is hard to hydroplane when you are not driving fast through water.

ALAN

Hey dumbass, the recall is for tread separations--not hydroplaning. Go away!

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Your attitude needs adjustment, the fact that the recalled GRABBER AW's are a different size shouldn't be much comfort.

NISSAN and General/Continental Tire need to fix their defective products BEFORE people get killed.
You may be the next person to suffer as a result of their product deficiencies.

I don't understand why you would be so staunch defender of the manufacturer. What is your real interest? or maybe you have a conflict of interest.

Do we REALLY need the sign?

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

Because there have been none... I have the utmost confidence in my tires and my driving ability... any wrecks that have ocurred so far are, in my opinion, the result of bad driving (high speed + water = hydroplaning).

On that note, will someone please lock this thread up...

I am a new member but this is the first topic I wanted to get in on. My '02 xe has the Grabbers and I have read where Continental General is recalling some Grabbers tires that are on Ford Expeditions (I think they may have even been the replacement tires for the Firestones that were peeling). The generals in question are not the same size as those on my X but MY radar went crazy when I heard that. Let's stay tuned.
Has anyone heard about or have more info on this recall?

Welcome to the board. Don't spoil your welcome by keeping topics like this alive

The twit that started all this created 3 or 4 threads about it, you can find them if you like, but they're not at all relevant to Xterras.

Brent

My only complaint is that I have had 2 flats in 18k miles.

Why yes the tires do suck but the size they are recalling is not on the Xterra. Upgrade like all the rest of us have to a better tire and your worries are gone.

Thanks for taking my quote out of text, asshole.

Yes, my tires do suck. But as Cheetara pointed out, though I was driving five miles under the speed limit I probably was driving too fast for conditions.

Would better tires have allowed me to establish better grip when I spun out and then banked hard to the right to spin back in? Who knows.

Like Eric said, hydroplaning isn't the issue with the recall so it's irrelevant in any case. I was at fault for my accident, and I have said so in the past. These tires do suck in wet weather in my opinion, but with better judgment(which I obviously did not exercise at that time) they're not dangerous.

Maybe you should just pull that Firestone out of your ass and learn to read a little.

I have a 2002 XE with 6K miles on it, I bought it new in January '02. I have done some light off-roading with Grabber tires deflated as recommended. the experience was enjoyable. On the road they are okay; as I keep them properly inflated (checking once a week). As the X is my first vehicle of this kind (hopefully more X's in my future), It drives noticeably different and reacts to road conditions differently than my last vehicle: a'99 Honda Accord V6. The X weighs over 2 tons with an overall area (width x length) not much larger than an Escort...some moderation and a respect for the turning, braking and acceleration characteristics of these vehicles is definitely needed and should be practiced by some.