After looking at Sgt Lobo's X and some others (Ned I think), I need to better understand pros and cons regarding revolvers. I understand why you would want them, I just don't know handling effects, load carrying, etc. Why isn't everyone running these things? It looks like they are a HUGE benefit, especially without a locker in place.

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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

Do a quick search in ths forum on revolvers and you will get more information about them than you could ever want.

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Tread Lightly!

Sorry, but my search didn't answer my questions. If anyone could take a moment to be helpful, I would appreciate it. BTW wqbang, your old post just had a link that is dead and no discussion.

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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

Some of us dislike the huge difference in articulation bias between the front and rear.

Way too much body roll for me.

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Regards,
Ian

I looked at the manufacturers sight about three weeks ago, and there was no mention of product availability for the X. Is this just a product adaptation or is there one available for us?

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Pains heal,
Chicks dig scars,
and glory lasts forever

Yes Teraflex makes them specifically for the Xterra. I have seen their ad in Four Wheeler mentioning this.

Jason

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www.ec4x4e.com
"I'm loaded with good ideas, problem is that most of them suck!" - George Carlin

Thanks for your input Ian. It seems when you really want to learn something it is difficult. Being told to search for something and find nothing and then nobody providing input gets frustrating. I thought that's what this board was all about, but it seems that more people are interested in hanging out to post junk than help others that want to learn, just because it may have been discussed before.



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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

AMEN brother TONKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Member MAXC, NEXTerra
http://www.xtremexterra.com

You got that right, TONKA !! ...

Aren't you tired of the 'use search', 'that's been covered before', 'FNG', 'firewood' routine ? ...

More bandwidth is wasted yapping about those things than would be if someone would just answer the questions asked ...

I saw one poster tonight who was making his very first post, being taken to task by some forum members for not using Search and left off calling him a FNG and 'firewood' ...

C'mon folks ... it's gotten real old ...

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Pepper Kay

The reason many people post "use the search you FNG!" is post inflation.

Some people think that the more posts you have made the smarter you are.

Last time I hit the trails the extra Xterras under my name didn't help me at all.

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Relax, have fun
-Dustin
"Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing
section in a swimming pool?"

I hear that Kerensky97, everyone is an expert (in their own mind) on the internet.



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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

I hear you, guys: ...

As I am not an expert on anything, I'm going to stop posting entirely, which will prove my point

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Pepper Kay

[This message has been edited by pepper kay (edited 07-15-2001).]

Sorry the link was broken. BTW, there is a reason that people tell people to search. It is to cut down on overposting the same questions. I am terribly sorry your feelings were hurt, but get over it. Hey! guys, I have an idea! Why don't you fill up this thread with crap about how you hate people who tell you to search! That'll make everything MUCH better!

Anywho... Aside from unbalanced articulation, some people dislike them because of potential safety issues in emergency maneuvers.

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Tread Lightly!

Thank you. See, that wasn't so tough now was it. If you would have done that 3 days ago instead of telling me to search, this thread would have died with about 3 posts,,, but nooooo, instead we're up to 13 posts and counting. And as far as my feelings go, they don't get hurt that easily so don't humor yourself. I feel sorry for someone that gets so worked up over someone asking a question about something.
Why don't you do some good and try to police all the worthless babble instead of the stuff actually related to Xterras.

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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

[This message has been edited by Craigs_Tonka (edited 07-15-2001).]

Believe me, I am not worked up over this. I didn't respond for three days because I didn't read this forum for 3 days. I don't moderate the worthless drivel, because I don't bother to read it any more. *I* told you to search because I knew I had already posted about them, and the topic had been coverd throughly. I apologized for the error.

Soooooo... as a moderator I tell you to search for a reason. I didn't flame, and used a neutral tone. So why exactly are you worked up? If you don't like people telling people to search, just read something else, because it will continue until the end of time.

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Tread Lightly!

[This message has been edited by wqbang (edited 07-16-2001).]

Once Ian digs his heels in the dirt, that's it! To be fair to Ian, there is a group that does not feel comfortable with the principal. But that's okay, its not for them. Steve at Calmini shares Ians concerns and he does have a ton of experience. I am a recreational type off-roader and I'm experimenting, but I was the one that brought them to market and I've used them very successfully for over a year.

Revolvers provide droop; the lack of anti-roll bar (which most people have already removed) provides body roll. As St. Lobo has stated and I've stated for over a year, the Revolver is the best modification period. ....and according to off road guru's the better your performance, the better your vehicle. The Revolver improves your performance.
Is it the ideal set up compared to a solid front axle spring over, NO. But get real....

Ned

feel free to e-mail me. ned946@wwc.com



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Hehe, I'm a Saint now? Or am I a street?

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Sgt_Lobo
2000 4X4, SE, White
http://www.cableone.net/sgtlobo/xterra.htm

Sorry Sgt!

Any regrets with the Revolvers so far?



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Ned, Lobo

Are you using wheel spacers to get the clearance required for adequete tire stuff.

How do these affect drivability? This issue is why I haven't done this yet. Would someone that has these please clarify.

Also, what about shock mount relocation? Where do you relocate them to?
Pictures?

Thanks

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kennedyusmc@earthlink.net
"Bring me the donut Mojo"

Riiiiiight ...


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Philosopher's Xterra
Mid-Atlantic Xterra Club

SLR Rear Shackles do the trick for me...I've also added a pair of leaf spring inserts for the added height off-roading when loaded down with camping gear...

Good Luck in whatever you decide

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Andy
PNWX-Member

Here is a write up in the revolvers http://www.4x4review.com/products/suspension/revolver.asp

There is also a .mpg file to see it in action!
http://www.4x4review.com/products/suspension/revolver-movie.mpg

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01 SE Super Black

That's not what I meant Ned.

The revolvers bias the majority of the suspension articulation to the rear of the vehicle, causing excessive roll of the body in relation to the chassis and Earth.

I didn't mean excessive body roll while cornering.

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Regards,
Ian

Yep. Check it out.

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1611231&a=13540899&p=52117369&Sequence=0[/img]

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1611231&a=13540899&p=52116787&Sequence=0[/img]


No Revolver with 31" tire(and fronts disconnected I believe) Note: this is not the same location as the photo below, the photo has been inverted for ease of comparison.

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1611231&a=13540899&p=52116788&Sequence=0[/img]


Revolvers with 32" tire and front connected.


I think that there is improvement but the change is not drastic like some might believe. The articulation improvement does come solely from the rear axle as you state Ian. Not ideal, but better

-Ned

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[This message has been edited by ned946 (edited 07-25-2001).]

Ned,

FYI check these out

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=270535&a=13539152&p=52129503[/img]

[img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=270535&a=13539152&p=52129452[/img]

Thanks Brian. That OHV park was a blast! Cool pics.

By the way, did you have the front disconnected?



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Just a little rubbing on the RR there Ned? Damn, never seen that before

Brent

That's from the tire spinning in the dirt as it loses traction...

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Regards,
Ian

So why does it looked scrubbed clean? If there were a rock or something embedded in the dirt under the tire I suppose that would account for it.

It does seem a bit too far inside on the tire to be from rubbing on the fender lip, unless Ned put in 3" spacers or something

Brent

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I am The Radiskull of Borg. I will assimilate you one by one.

Ian is correct.
That skid mark is from the first failed attempt to get up on the step. I sorta had the X in 2WD. There are plenty of rocks just under the silt from people stacking rocks to get traction up onto the steps (you will notice all the holes around where our rear tires are?). Anyway, the X wasn't climbing so I gunned it a bit and spun. Then looked at the transfer case lever and realized I was in 2WD....then switched to 4WD and climbed up! Chalk it up to a bone head manuver, brain fart or whatever


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Finally got some numbers for those who want to know. Did the 20 degree ramp at Calmini with the front sway bars connected and went up 80" (as measured perpendicular to the ramp). With a wheel base of 102" (is that right?) the RTI would be a 784. Not bad!

Pics of the RTI and of Calmini are here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1611231&a=13581818

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Wheelbase is 104", giving you a score of 769.

Not bad. For comparison, I ramped 712 with the SLR lift.

Some cool 'Zuk's out there at Steve's.

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Regards,
Ian

Thanks for the comparison.... now in laymens terms, big number good or big number bad?



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My wife calls it the "Intrepid Bee", I call it "Tonka".
craigs-tonka@home.com
www.azxterraclub.com

I missed your answer, all I got was more about FNG and firewood



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Goliath the X
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31 X 10.5 M/T on AR-767 Rims * EOE Rock Sliderz *
MAXC Member

Just so I know how accurate a comparision it is, did you have the front hooked up or not? ...I wanted to unhook the front but it was too damn hot out there! Lay on that blacktop and you fry like an egg in a couple of minutes and my dumb QD was stuck.


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