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#48263 - 04/06/02 05:34 AM
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Ian: you are not affraid to suck in water?
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#48264 - 04/06/02 06:07 AM
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Afterwards did it average out to normal or higher mpg ? (don't know your starting numbers)
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#48267 - 04/06/02 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by xoc: Originally posted by Olegkha:
[b]Ian: you are not affraid to suck in water? i dont know how your air box is, but my air box is NOT too clean from outside, i know its all from splashing from fan, or just mud, water geting in through small openings under the hood, but i am just trying to picture what the filter will look like after a trip offroad, and running into a water/mud puddle
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#48268 - 04/06/02 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Olegkha:
i dont know how your air box is, but my air box is NOT too clean from outside, I think he means those splashes of mud and water aren't enough to hydrolock the engine.
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#48269 - 04/06/02 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by ILUVMYX: Originally posted by Olegkha:
[b]i dont know how your air box is, but my air box is NOT too clean from outside, It won't necessarily hydrolock the engine, but I'd keep two filters. One in the truck, one clean and ready in a box. I'm sure it'll get plenty muddy and filthy on a good day's run. Not sure if I want to do this yet. I like the added security of the stock airbox, the cleaner environment for the filter, etc. But I wouldn't mind a little more performance/mileage - especially later with an aftermarket exhaust. Sigh... Decisions, decisions. :rolleyes:
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#48270 - 04/06/02 04:26 PM
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XOC, Thanks for the review  FYI currently the K&N Fuel Injection Performance Kit (FIPK) is being tested on an Xterra & Frontier and will be CARB approved, street legal, and available soon after from what I’ve been told. The possibility of water getting to the filter from splashing caused by the fan & the partially open exposure with this charger kit is a real drawback for me. I'm hoping the FIPK offers more protection?
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#48271 - 04/06/02 05:47 PM
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The oil in the filter element will repel water to some extent. You would have to be hard on the throttle and have a river coming in to suck a significant amount of water through, I think. I have other things like my alternator and my stereo amplifiers that don't like water anyway, so I've just made the decision to stay out of anything deep enough to reach those. Not to mention all the factory electrical on the floorboard and such. I would have to go deeper than that to hit the intake. I will be interested in seeing how Ian's emissions come out. I would expect that there will be little or no effect and can't figure out why there would be. All the factory hoses are still attached and everything, so shouldn't be a problem. Hope not because I tossed my old intake shit away except for the accordian intake tube and the actual filter box. bye bye, no room for you! ![[Wave]](graemlins/wave.gif)
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#48274 - 04/06/02 06:32 PM
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I gotta say Ian...that's probably the most helpful thing I've ever seen posted in here. Nice install.
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#48275 - 04/06/02 07:11 PM
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To quote Ian's review....."Performance is increased. Finally something that makes up for 32" tires and 500+ lbs. of gear on board. Down low, below 2000 RPM very little is felt, but above that, especially from 3000-5000 RPM the power increase is noticeable, and that's where I need it most for passing", "driving with my foot down to listen to the rumble of the intake."
Wooohooo!
Totally true! Buy one they are worth the money!
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#48276 - 04/06/02 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by xoc: Originally posted by ChuckH: [b]All the factory hoses are still attached and everything, so shouldn't be a problem. Hope not because I tossed my old intake shit away except for the accordian intake tube and the actual filter box. bye bye, no room for you!
PNWX should put together a pool of money to rent a small storage unit to put all their parts in. 
Someday, someone is going to want to sell their Xterra, and those factory parts will add a lot to the resale value.[/b]I was thinking about a storage unit just for all my parts and 4 wheeling stuff until I saw the cost on them.  Now I just hang on to stuff i think will be useful to someone at some point...like extra shocks and such.
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#48277 - 04/06/02 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by xoc:
[QB][/QB] Please go get some dyno runs with and without as I'm curious to see performance numbers. Our trucks may be different vehicles, but a few members in our club have gotten before and after dyno runs and all have shown losses w/ the K&N FIPK despite the cool sound and thier all scientific seat of the pants dyno meter. -Chris
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#48279 - 04/06/02 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by xoc:
If I can find a 5 speed Xterra in the Denver area with 32" tires and stock intake/exhaust, I will try some head to head tests. Do you mean dyno comparisons? Pointless. Worthless data. If you dyno'd 10 Xterras of similar configuration, you'd get 10 different results. There is no way you can assume that someone elses truck would give you an accurate enough baseline for comparing your truck.
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#48281 - 04/06/02 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by xoc: More of just a high school style drag race on a long deserted road Definitely cheaper, and more fun. Well, fun and drag racing in an Xterra are two concepts that are difficult to integrate.
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#48282 - 05/06/02 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by xoc: Originally posted by ILUVMYX:
[b]There is no way you can assume that someone elses truck would give you an accurate enough baseline for comparing your truck. That's what ChuckH and I did, and I was still pulling away from him? We figure we are pretty close in weight but he has the Gibson exhaust!
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#48283 - 05/06/02 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by rrdstarr:
That's what ChuckH and I did, and I was still pulling away from him? We figure we are pretty close in weight but he has the Gibson exhaust! Yeah, but we didn't do a straightline drag and you were in front of me the whole time. I couldn't accelerate any faster because you were in the way. :rolleyes: If I put some street tires on, ditch my sandals, and we go side by side, I might be able to take you! ![[Finger]](graemlins/thefinger.gif)
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#48284 - 05/06/02 04:34 PM
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Just the Aircharger made the difference between 3rd and 4th on a grade?
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#48285 - 05/06/02 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by xoc:
[QB][/QB] Yea, if you don't have any money I'll let you off the hook. On the same note I just located a dyno shop here in Bakoland which charges $75 per hour w/ a $20 setup fee. I have about 6 runs planned including one w/ the K&N FIPK and the shop said I should be able to get all 6 runs done withen the hour. -Chris
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#48287 - 30/06/02 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Olegkha:
Ian: you are not affraid to suck in water? Just installed one myself after reading the review, I did address the water problem in my own way. Here link Fixed
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#48288 - 01/07/02 05:30 AM
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And your URL does what? http:///
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#48289 - 01/07/02 05:28 PM
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#48291 - 03/08/02 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by bronx:
Has anyone have the Check Engine Light on after installing the K&N Aircharger Kit??? Is it because the Air Temp Sensor is not plugged back in? I read the instructions... it does not say anything about install the Air Temp Sensor back in... Actually it does. There is a small hole on the back of the filter itself.
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#48292 - 03/08/02 09:12 PM
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FYI, I just installed a HKS intake and left the temp sensor in the factory location and I didn't get a check engine light... Could be something else... Let us know if putting it in the K&N makes the light go off.
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#48294 - 04/08/02 01:31 PM
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I looked at the k&n first but I went with air raid. I like it better cause it uses the bottom of the stock air box And I have there tbs
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#48295 - 04/08/02 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by bronx: I called the techs at my dealer but they said it because of the aftermarket intake. Eventually it will go away after 30 starts.
Is this guy for real??? ![[Freak]](graemlins/freak.gif) No light came up after my install. Only "if" you figure its a false code, just disconnect the negative from your battery for a few hours (overnight).. that will clear the light. See the dealer if it comes on again.
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#48296 - 04/08/02 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by x2see:
I looked at the k&n first but I went with air raid. I like it better cause it uses the bottom of the stock air box And I have there tbs If your going to draw more air in why would you want to keep the bottom of the stock intake in. Thats just restrictang the air you could pull in if you went the K&N kit.
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#48297 - 18/08/02 02:39 PM
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#48298 - 18/08/02 03:57 PM
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As far as I could tell, (as well as by asking others), the "hissing" is normal. I only notice it while idling at a stop light, it turns into a nice growl when I get to 2000- 2500 rpm. I thought it was some type of air leak at the beginning and kept rechecking my connections and clamps.
Its been on (K&N charger) for 2 months now, including a 2 week road trip, nothing indicates any other problems due to the install, I've seemed to have gained a mile or two to my MPG.
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#48300 - 29/09/02 03:48 PM
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Just installed mine yesterday, got to test it out quite a bit since. Easy install, it goes well with my Calmini exhaust, nice growl to it. I've noticed a slight improvement in gas mileage, a little extra oomph, too... I recommend it to everyone, especially those who have lost some power/fuel efficiency due to larger tires (I'm running 265/75/16's).
The only thing I don't like is the hiss, but usually my stereo is too loud to even hear it!
UPDATE: Just an FYI, my Xterra just passed State Inspection with the Aircharger...
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#48301 - 04/10/02 09:09 PM
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I am not an expert, but believe me when I say K & N filters are bad news.
I have ridden motocross now for 15 years, and you need to wash your foam filter and re-oil every ride for the filter to be effective in removing dirt/dust.
We did a test a few years back. You should do the same. Take some vaseline and smear it somewhere visible in the plumbing after the filter. Ride around for 3000 miles. Open up and look at the smear, it will be covered in crap.
Do the same with a stock setup, and it will be clean.
Anyone who installs a K and N is a fool, and will kill the engine prematurely. No doubt.
To let more air in, you have to let more dirt in, its just common sense. Plus, if you wring it out after you wash it like a clown , you'll ruin the invisible webbing, allowing more crap to get through. And never use gas to clean it, use kero. Gas will eat the filter.
Go back to stock if you value your engine.
I bet you use fram oil filters also!
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#48303 - 04/10/02 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by yz250fguy:
I am not an expert, but believe me when I say K & N filters are bad news.
I have ridden motocross now for 15 years, and you need to wash your foam filter and re-oil every ride for the filter to be effective in removing dirt/dust.
We did a test a few years back. You should do the same. Take some vaseline and smear it somewhere visible in the plumbing after the filter. Ride around for 3000 miles. Open up and look at the smear, it will be covered in crap.
Do the same with a stock setup, and it will be clean.
Anyone who installs a K and N is a fool, and will kill the engine prematurely. No doubt.
To let more air in, you have to let more dirt in, its just common sense. Plus, if you wring it out after you wash it like a clown , you'll ruin the invisible webbing, allowing more crap to get through. And never use gas to clean it, use kero. Gas will eat the filter.
Go back to stock if you value your engine.
I bet you use fram oil filters also!
YZ Maybe you could explain why I spent a week following another Xterra through the dustiest conditions I have ever seen and had absolutely no dirt or dust in my intake past the filter? I intentionally looked inide the intake tubes and they were totally clean. It was never that clean before. This is picture of Rrdstarr's filter (we went on the dust from hell trip together). Mine looked pretty much the same. Neither one of us had any dirt past the filter. Like XOC has said, K&N would be out of business by now if their filters weren't any good. 
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#48304 - 05/10/02 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by yz250fguy:
I bet you use fram oil filters also! Nothing beats oil filter insults...
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#48305 - 05/10/02 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by ChuckH: Originally posted by yz250fguy:
[b]I am not an expert, but believe me when I say K & N filters are bad news.
I have ridden motocross now for 15 years, and you need to wash your foam filter and re-oil every ride for the filter to be effective in removing dirt/dust.
We did a test a few years back. You should do the same. Take some vaseline and smear it somewhere visible in the plumbing after the filter. Ride around for 3000 miles. Open up and look at the smear, it will be covered in crap.
Do the same with a stock setup, and it will be clean.
Anyone who installs a K and N is a fool, and will kill the engine prematurely. No doubt.
To let more air in, you have to let more dirt in, its just common sense. Plus, if you wring it out after you wash it like a clown , you'll ruin the invisible webbing, allowing more crap to get through. And never use gas to clean it, use kero. Gas will eat the filter.
Go back to stock if you value your engine.
I bet you use fram oil filters also!
YZ
Like XOC has said, K&N would be out of business by now if their filters weren't any good.
[/b]My comment is that this K&N Aircharger actually traps dirt better than the K&N replacement filter for the stock airbox!
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