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#497785 - 01/10/06 09:27 PM
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#497787 - 04/10/06 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser: No SAS for me for the Disney run... apparently "it is in stock and it will ship in 2-4 days" really means "it is NOT in stock and it will ship in a month... if we feel like it... but don't hold your breath becuase we're concentrating on SEMA right now and frankly your $4000 order isn't very important to us because we know you have nowhere else to go." ![[Freak]](graemlins/freak.gif) And you yelled at me for bashing them ![[Finger]](graemlins/thefinger.gif) lol Typical Calmini
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#497788 - 04/10/06 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser: No SAS for me for the Disney run... apparently "it is in stock and it will ship in 2-4 days" really means "it is NOT in stock and it will ship in a month... if we feel like it... but don't hold your breath becuase we're concentrating on SEMA right now and frankly your $4000 order isn't very important to us because we know you have nowhere else to go." that sucks balls.
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#497789 - 04/10/06 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by WolfmanX: Originally posted by Kaiser: [b]No SAS for me for the Disney run... apparently "it is in stock and it will ship in 2-4 days" really means "it is NOT in stock and it will ship in a month... if we feel like it... but don't hold your breath becuase we're concentrating on SEMA right now and frankly your $4000 order isn't very important to us because we know you have nowhere else to go."
Typical Calmini[/b]Well, what I was getting onto you about was scaring new people off by saying the kit was unsafe. I think it is a quality kit - but their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. I waited 3-4 months for my bumper being told it would ship in the next "week or two" the whooole time.
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#497790 - 04/10/06 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser: because we know you have nowhere else to go." scary thing is, if slr or anybody else made an sas kit for the xterra, it would probably run about twice as much.
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#497791 - 04/10/06 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by steelX: Originally posted by Kaiser: [b]because we know you have nowhere else to go." Ahh, yeah true, but the quality would also be twice as good.
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#497792 - 04/10/06 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by WolfmanX: Originally posted by steelX: [b] Originally posted by Kaiser: [b]because we know you have nowhere else to go." scary thing is, if slr or anybody else made an sas kit for the xterra, it would probably run about twice as much. [/b] dont get me wrong, i think they make solid stuff. i just dont know why the stuff is priced way out of line with everyone elses. customer service is not that important to me. once you have the product, the likelyhood of having to deal with said company again is minimal unless you have a problem or buy something else from them. not worth an xtra $$$$ for basically the same stuff, in my opinion.
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#497793 - 04/10/06 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by steelX: Originally posted by WolfmanX: [b] Originally posted by steelX: [b] quote:
Originally posted by Kaiser:
because we know you have nowhere else to go." scary thing is, if slr or anybody else made an sas kit for the xterra, it would probably run about twice as much. [/b] dont get me wrong, i think they make solid stuff. i just dont know why the stuff is priced way out of line with everyone elses. customer service is not that important to me. once you have the product, the likelyhood of having to deal with said company again is minimal unless you have a problem or buy something else from them. not worth an xtra $$$$ for basically the same stuff, in my opinion.
Not to hijack the thread, but the extra $$$ is not a result of customer service. The extra cost comes from the added time that goes in to every product. IMO Calmini only goes as far as they have to go to put out a product that will "work" at a low cost. While SLR for example, goes that far and then three steps more, using higher quality metals, superior design techniques, heat treating, superior weld quality and so on. Do you think Steve at Calmini sits there and manufactures every Upper Control Arm that goes out? No, it gets outsourced. Spencer does it all, and his high standards go in to every product.
Most importantly, they stand behind their products. They don't make excuses or try to blame the customer.
I'm not an SLR rep by any means, I have just discovered facts that were already there. I gave Calmini a chance. They blew it. ![[ThumbsDown]](graemlins/thumbsdown.gif)
NOW BACK TO THE SAS JOB
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#497794 - 04/10/06 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by WolfmanX:
NOW BACK TO THE SAS JOB agreed, but since we are here and it is kinda on topic, is anyone else(company), even considering making an sas kit? or will we be stuck with calmini. i dont want a custom fab yourself kinda deal.
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#497795 - 04/10/06 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by WolfmanX:
Not to hijack the thread, but the extra $$$ is not a result of customer service. The extra cost comes from the added time that goes in to every product. IMO Calmini only goes as far as they have to go to put out a product that will "work" at a low cost. While SLR for example, goes that far and then three steps more, using higher quality metals, superior design techniques, heat treating, superior weld quality and so on. Do you think Steve at Calmini sits there and manufactures every Upper Control Arm that goes out? No, it gets outsourced. Spencer does it all, and his high standards go in to every product.
Most importantly, they stand behind their products. They don't make excuses or try to blame the customer.
I'm not an SLR rep by any means, I have just discovered facts that were already there. I gave Calmini a chance. They blew it.
NOW BACK TO THE SAS JOBJason, Everyone has issues, but just to set the record straight. Calmini works on a product until it is as right as they can get it. Must I remind you the reason why SLR is not on XOC currently is because Ian tossed him off because they had upper control arm and rear spring pack issues that they refused to resolve? It's my understanding that they did finally get around to fixing things, but it took them a very long time to do so. So long in fact a number of folks ended up buying whole new kits from Calmini. Everyone has an issue or two in a product line. I personally never had an issue getting something resolved. Calmini does their welding in house (far better than any welds than I’ve seen on SLR products –IMO), it is not outsourced. Some parts of the manufacturing processes do have to be done outside including those parts that have to be forged. Some products sell out and have to be restocked and sometimes products take longer to restock than others and sometimes there are delays. I make no excuse when someone says that a product has shipped and it hasn’t, that’s poor customer service. As for SLR being so honest and upfront about things. They literally stole the design for their “Econo” line of products from Calmini. Lastly Spencer has never made any efforts to pay me back for a steering system that I sold back to him. I had left numerous voice mails, sent emails with not even a “the check is in the mail”. A member of XOC even approached him about it a few years back. In short, I hope Spencer gets run over by one of his own trucks. -Doug
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#497796 - 04/10/06 06:51 PM
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Well guys, color me confused but happy. I got a call from Calmini this evening saying that it was ready to ship. Mebbe we can get it done in time for Disney after all... As to the SLR VS Calmini debate - people have had great experiences with both companies - and people have had jaw-droppingly horrible experiences with both as well. I think the whole offroad parts industry needs to up its standards of customer service and communication a little.... but now that my stuff is on the way I'm having a hard time keeping hold of the vitriol 
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#497797 - 04/10/06 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by DesertHB: [b]Originally posted by WolfmanX:
Not to hijack the thread, but the extra $$$ is not a result of customer service. The extra cost comes from the added time that goes in to every product. IMO Calmini only goes as far as they have to go to put out a product that will "work" at a low cost. While SLR for example, goes that far and then three steps more, using higher quality metals, superior design techniques, heat treating, superior weld quality and so on. Do you think Steve at Calmini sits there and manufactures every Upper Control Arm that goes out? No, it gets outsourced. Spencer does it all, and his high standards go in to every product.
Most importantly, they stand behind their products. They don't make excuses or try to blame the customer.
I'm not an SLR rep by any means, I have just discovered facts that were already there. I gave Calmini a chance. They blew it.
NOW BACK TO THE SAS JOBJason, Everyone has issues, but just to set the record straight. Calmini works on a product until it is as right as they can get it. Must I remind you the reason why SLR is not on XOC currently is because Ian tossed him off because they had upper control arm and rear spring pack issues that they refused to resolve? It's my understanding that they did finally get around to fixing things, but it took them a very long time to do so. So long in fact a number of folks ended up buying whole new kits from Calmini. Everyone has an issue or two in a product line. I personally never had an issue getting something resolved. Calmini does their welding in house (far better than any welds than I’ve seen on SLR products –IMO), it is not outsourced. Some parts of the manufacturing processes do have to be done outside including those parts that have to be forged. Some products sell out and have to be restocked and sometimes products take longer to restock than others and sometimes there are delays. I make no excuse when someone says that a product has shipped and it hasn’t, that’s poor customer service. As for SLR being so honest and upfront about things. They literally stole the design for their “Econo” line of products from Calmini. Lastly Spencer has never made any efforts to pay me back for a steering system that I sold back to him. I had left numerous voice mails, sent emails with not even a “the check is in the mail”. A member of XOC even approached him about it a few years back. In short, I hope Spencer gets run over by one of his own trucks. -Doug[/b] As said above, everyone has had different experiences. Fist off, you should know I have utmost respect for you Doug. I think you are a killer guy. Secondly, I also understand that Calmini is a great supporter of the Nissan market, and I respect that as well. My experiences with their products has been sub-par. Like I said, everyone has different opinions. Afterall, you pretty much get the royal treatment from Calmini. Sadly, not everybody gets the same. To each his own.
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#497798 - 05/10/06 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by WolfmanX: Originally posted by DesertHB: [b][b]Originally posted by WolfmanX: Not to hijack the thread, but the extra $$$ is not a result of customer service. The extra cost comes from the added time that goes in to every product. IMO Calmini only goes as far as they have to go to put out a product that will "work" at a low cost. While SLR for example, goes that far and then three steps more, using higher quality metals, superior design techniques, heat treating, superior weld quality and so on. Do you think Steve at Calmini sits there and manufactures every Upper Control Arm that goes out? No, it gets outsourced. Spencer does it all, and his high standards go in to every product. Most importantly, they stand behind their products. They don't make excuses or try to blame the customer. I'm not an SLR rep by any means, I have just discovered facts that were already there. I gave Calmini a chance. They blew it. NOW BACK TO THE SAS JOB Jason, Everyone has issues, but just to set the record straight. Calmini works on a product until it is as right as they can get it. Must I remind you the reason why SLR is not on XOC currently is because Ian tossed him off because they had upper control arm and rear spring pack issues that they refused to resolve? It's my understanding that they did finally get around to fixing things, but it took them a very long time to do so. So long in fact a number of folks ended up buying whole new kits from Calmini. Everyone has an issue or two in a product line. I personally never had an issue getting something resolved. Calmini does their welding in house (far better than any welds than I’ve seen on SLR products –IMO), it is not outsourced. Some parts of the manufacturing processes do have to be done outside including those parts that have to be forged. Some products sell out and have to be restocked and sometimes products take longer to restock than others and sometimes there are delays. I make no excuse when someone says that a product has shipped and it hasn’t, that’s poor customer service. As for SLR being so honest and upfront about things. They literally stole the design for their “Econo” line of products from Calmini. Lastly Spencer has never made any efforts to pay me back for a steering system that I sold back to him. I had left numerous voice mails, sent emails with not even a “the check is in the mail”. A member of XOC even approached him about it a few years back. In short, I hope Spencer gets run over by one of his own trucks. -Doug[/b]
Secondly, I also understand that Calmini is a great supporter of the Nissan market, and I respect that as well.
My experiences with their products has been sub-par. Like I said, everyone has different opinions. Afterall, you pretty much get the royal treatment from Calmini. Sadly, not everybody gets the same.
To each his own.[/b]Same respect here for you. Like you said, to each his own. BTW, your stickers went in the mail yesterday. Take Care, Doug
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#497800 - 12/10/06 10:33 AM
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OOOOOOOOOHHHHH HEELLLLL YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As of 7:59am today my Calmini stuff is on a local Saia delivery truck headed my way - so I should get it sometime TODAY!!!!!!!
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#497801 - 12/10/06 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by DesertHB:
Everyone has issues, but just to set the record straight. Calmini works on a product until it is as right as they can get it. Must I remind you the reason why SLR is not on XOC currently is because Ian tossed him off because they had upper control arm and rear spring pack issues that they refused to resolve? It's my understanding that they did finally get around to fixing things, but it took them a very long time to do so. So long in fact a number of folks ended up buying whole new kits from Calmini. Everyone has an issue or two in a product line. I personally never had an issue getting something resolved.
Calmini does their welding in house (far better than any welds than I’ve seen on SLR products –IMO), it is not outsourced. Some parts of the manufacturing processes do have to be done outside including those parts that have to be forged.
Some products sell out and have to be restocked and sometimes products take longer to restock than others and sometimes there are delays. I make no excuse when someone says that a product has shipped and it hasn’t, that’s poor customer service.
As for SLR being so honest and upfront about things. They literally stole the design for their “Econo” line of products from Calmini. Lastly Spencer has never made any efforts to pay me back for a steering system that I sold back to him. I had left numerous voice mails, sent emails with not even a “the check is in the mail”. A member of XOC even approached him about it a few years back. In short, I hope Spencer gets run over by one of his own trucks.
-Doug Doug, just to clarify: SLR has been invited back to this board and can do so if they choose to advertise. They have progressed leaps and bounds in the last five years both in products and service. People here have had their issues with Calmini as well. It's just natural that some products aren't always home runs. Calmini/Full Traction is 20 times bigger than SLR. Their production is a much greater volume. The two companies just have a different focus. There are no "unresolved" issues with any SLR products. SLR well works at something until it's right. As they did with the upper controll arms. Sometimes "as right as they can get it" isn't good enough. As far as welding, are you really going to compare Calminis production line with SLR? I have seen stuff, including my own truck, that is just beautifull. To be honest, everyone seems very happy with Calmini stuff, but it is still mass production. As a matter of fact, I'll put up some pictures of SLR welds and you put up the best Calmini stuff and we'll compare.   Again, nothing personal. I just hate to seea guy that isn't even on here being thrown under the bus. He too has a business to run. As a matter of fact, I'd have a beer with you again in a heartbeat. I just think your focus on your past poor experiences dominate your very emotional views.
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#497802 - 12/10/06 03:17 PM
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could you guys PLEASE quit watering down my SAS thread?
I was hoping this could be a repository of SAS information and pics that a new guy could browse through and see the ins and outs.
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#497803 - 12/10/06 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Kaiser:
could you guys PLEASE quit watering down my SAS thread?
I was hoping this could be a repository of SAS information and pics that a new guy could browse through and see the ins and outs. sorry, im afraid im the one that started all the b.s. maybe we can get a mod to split this topic?
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#497804 - 12/10/06 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by steelX: Originally posted by Kaiser:
[b]could you guys PLEASE quit watering down my SAS thread?
I was hoping this could be a repository of SAS information and pics that a new guy could browse through and see the ins and outs.
maybe we can get a mod to split this topic?[/b]Better yet, how about a mod cleanig up all the non-SAS posts. We all have our views on certain folks and products. Most of this babble is also noted in other places on XOC. This thread was not the place to put them. Sorry. Doug
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#497805 - 12/10/06 06:10 PM
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sweet deal Kaiser.. Do they have to drop it off at a business addy?? or can it be dropped of at my front door??
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#497806 - 12/10/06 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by xterra in HI:
sweet deal Kaiser.. Do they have to drop it off at a business addy?? or can it be dropped of at my front door?? It was shipped Saia. They CAN deliver to residential addresses - but you're much more likely to get it if it goes to a business... If you send it to your house I think you have to make a specific appointment to be there to recieve it - and if you miss it I'm sure there is a big hassle. I talked to the driver briefly and it sounds like sometimes they don't even bother to GO to residential dropoffs because they know you're not likely to be there anyway. FYI, it looks like the kit was shipped without the famed misalignment washers. I'm going to try to get some tomorrow from a local offroad shop.
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#497807 - 13/10/06 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by Kaiser:
FYI, it looks like the kit was shipped without the famed misalignment washers. I'm going to try to get some tomorrow from a local offroad shop.
You might want to give David or Steve a call to make sure that something has not changed in the kit before you go and pick them up.
The make sure you call Steve if you have any questions esp. the placement of the brackets that mount to the axle.
Have fun,
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#497808 - 13/10/06 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by DesertHB:
[b]Originally posted by Kaiser:
FYI, it looks like the kit was shipped without the famed misalignment washers. I'm going to try to get some tomorrow from a local offroad shop.
You might want to give David or Steve a call to make sure that something has not changed in the kit before you go and pick them up.
The make sure you call Steve if you have any questions esp. the placement of the brackets that mount to the axle.
Have fun,
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#497809 - 13/10/06 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by DesertHB:
[b]Originally posted by Kaiser:
FYI, it looks like the kit was shipped without the famed misalignment washers. I'm going to try to get some tomorrow from a local offroad shop.
You might want to give David or Steve a call to make sure that something has not changed in the kit before you go and pick them up.
The make sure you call Steve if you have any questions esp. the placement of the brackets that mount to the axle.
Have fun,
Doug[/b] Just talked to Dave. He said that the kit has not changed - but that it doesn't (and never did) require misalignment spacers on the diff/axle side. He said the people who have had problems had them because they cranked the front suspension up too high (going for more than the maximum recommended 5.5" of lift) and that put the trackbar in a position it was not intended to run in. ETA: We're going to tack on the axle mounts tonight and them post pics of them here and on N4W to get the head-nod from everyone who has installed it so far that they're on right.
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