maybe so but:

-it would not go where i have taken my x
-it would not look as good
-It does not have the following the X does

to compare a 4x2 and a 4x4 is about equivilant to comparing the 4x2 to a mini-van... they are vey different vehicle for very different uses...

there seems to be this kind of redneck "if it aint a 4x4 it aint a truck" opinion... that honestly is so well planted in most of america(and most of this board) that im probably never going to be able to convince people otherwise... for me its simple... Ivan Stewart drove a 4x2, thats good enough for me...

this is not rocket science.

If someone wants to go off-road with out doing any serious "rock crawling" or "mudding", or just likes the look of the X and has no intention of taking it off-road... buy a 2wd

if someone wants to go one step further get the 4x4...

pretty damn simple if you ask me

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Todrick ]

Yep. Unless of course you wanted to hit it fast enough and bounce of the walls of the crevase.

The pictures are still really pretty =)

I guess it's just our differing interpretation of what "moderate" means.

To me, moderate means a trail that a 4WD has some difficulty with, and a 2WD would never get over.

Which explains the problem.
You drive a 2WD Xterra.
The Ironman drives an 800 HP Tundra, with a spooled rear axle and 24 inches of wheel travel.

Huge difference, I wish you could see it.

I don't understand what Ivan Stewart's truck has to do with this. It's a race truck designed for a very specific kind of course. They also race top fuel dragsters, but you wouldn't want one for your everyday driver. Shit, they even race these, so perhaps you should get a semi...

ok... so lets break this down then:

what is the range we are talking about:
1-5?
1-10?

lets go with 1-10
if, as stated, odessa was a 7+ before the flood it was probably an 8 when the guys drove it in october... if thats an 8 i know i can do 5...
5 is dead center in the scale... making it by definition Moderate...

ok the HP is a problem
but im looking for a long travel suspension
And a ARB Locker does appeal to me down the road...

I dont need the same truck as Ivan Stewart... he take 10+ foot dirt jumps... odds are biggest i'll ever hit is 3' or 4'

now thats just rediculous... seriously i dont want to run the same coarses Ivan Stewart does but the style of course is whats important... for "pre runner" or "desert runner" type stuff a 4x4 makes less sense... sorry if you dont see that...

your arguement also applies to you... and the vehicles used in the Rock Crawling Championships... not something id want to use as a daily driver...

My argument? I'm not the one who's justifying my vehicle by saying "well so and so's race vehicle is like that so it's good enough for me".

Besides, my truck is nothing like real rock crawlers and your truck is nothing like Ivan Stuart's. So the analogy is pointless.

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: ILUVMYX ]

Not even going to get involved agian. I am getting a 4WD because I am tired of beating on my 2WD. I have gone a lot of places BUT I do not have a stock 2WD X. The places I have gone to a Stock 2WD will not go. Like I said before my X has paid the price, I would doubt very much if my X ever sees offroad again before we trade it in for a 4WD. If you would like a parts list I will more then happy to post.

I've actually been curious about your truck. It's been mentioned quite often. If you were so inclined I'd be interested. Thanks.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ILUVMYX:
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My argument?

yea, stop starting fights, wannna race?
http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/photo-gallery/images/june01-200.jpg

Oh yeah? Well my dad can beat up your dad (unless Casey's around)!

By the way, it's funny you should mention monster trucks. I saw a thing on TV last night about this guy who builds them as toys for rich people. He said they get about 75 feet per gallon mileage at full throttle. So yeah, I'll race ya across the country. I'd beat ya no problem because you'd be stopping for gas every 30 seconds!

Oh yeah ? Ivan Stewart could kick that things ass in ANY race longer than 300 feet !

Not if the race included driving over cars. HA!

The only problem I see with that is that EVERY time I see one of those "races" they allways seem fortunate to finnish the "race " without breaking. Those damn things seem to be built to within an inch of their lives. Hence the minimum 300 foot requirement.

Very true, but I don't think there's much more they could do to them to make them more durable. Those things weigh 10,000 pounds and they can do 65-70 MPH in 300 feet with 1300 HP engines! Imagine launching anything that heavy 10 feet in the air and expecting it not to break. It's almost hard to believe they're as durable as they are. Some of the older ones weighed closer to 20,000 pounds and were more durable, but slower*.

*DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a redneck! I would never have known all that about monster trucks if I hadn't just seen that special about it last night! Honest.

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: ILUVMYX ]

There's nothing to be ashamed of sweetheart, you still make my heart flutter. And by the way your dad can't beat up my dad.

That is sooo sweet! OK, I admit it, I don't have one of dem XTERRA thingies. I have a '76 red Ford pick-em-up truck with a gun rack and a confederate flag in the back. So baby, wanna come over to my place for some 'shine?

Well I did weld up the rear end so I had a Lincoln Locker in the rear. At GOX it started to slip so Kuuipo took it to Vallejo Nissan and told them there was something wrong and they replaced it. So now I only have the Stock limited slip. I have the Gibson Exhaust and a SLR Air intake and undisclosable engine work. I have the SLR shackles and torsion raise. My ricer friend that I race with who works for APEX remapped my computer. AS far as parts list I was tlaking about what I have broken or lost.
So far I am on my third cross member and it is now bent. My front skid plate is toast. Right lower control arm is bent, fuel tank only holds about 18 gallons now because it has been crushed in. My front leaf spring shackle mounts are toast and I have had 3 alignments. So 2wd can do more then dirt roads but at a price. A stock 2wd Never would of done what I did at GOX.

I'm on my way...........

ok now that everyone seems mellow(er)...

let me make this very simple:

Buy the truck that suits your needs.
only you can decide what your needs are.

Never. Not a chance.

GOX is 4's and 5's, and Jackel finally broke with a spooled rear.

Please, drive to GOX next year, and let me explain it to you.

i plan to be at GOX...

I do not plan to dirve anything that may damgae my truck... in fact i will probably not do too much driving once im there...

im just not looking to do that... it was fun at first and i drove some amazing trails... i said the X can do it and i can do it... but with any luck by GOX my truck wont even be set up for the types of trails you like...

tell you what, if i got my truck set up by WEST X '02:
slr stage iv (or similar)lift
fender flares
New bumber(s)
possibly an ARB locker
then you gotta come out, with your truck as is... we'll race out to coyote lake... across hilltops and down a sandy wash(those that were there know the trail)... not head to head but timed, just to be safe...

different trucks for different needs.