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#640500 - 13/06/05 11:42 PM Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Registered: 21/04/03
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Vote at this web site :
http://www.petitiononline.com/Xterra/petition.html

To: Nissan USA
The goal of this petition is to request the importation or the release of a diesel version of the Xterra SUV of all years. A diesel version motor 2.8 turbo diesel 132 hp is already available in Brazil and we want it here in USA also. We encourage all the Xterra owners , future owners and fans to fill this petition.

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#640501 - 14/06/05 05:04 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Excellent idea!

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#640502 - 14/06/05 05:19 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Why on earth would you want 132hp? If I were looking for a diesel I would want more than 132hp.

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#640503 - 14/06/05 05:38 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Registered: 30/01/03
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I voted for it!! If for no other reason than to get the cool hood they have and actually have the scoop be useful!!

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#640504 - 14/06/05 05:47 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Registered: 30/01/03
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Originally posted by Dave D:
Why on earth would you want 132hp? If I were looking for a diesel I would want more than 132hp.
Just because it has 132 HP, doesn't make it weak. Diesel engines make up for weak HP numbers in their torque.
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#640505 - 14/06/05 06:42 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Signed.. wink
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#640506 - 14/06/05 06:49 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
Axle Offline
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Registered: 18/03/02
Posts: 1229
Loc: Fort Carson, CO
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Originally posted by Dave D:
Why on earth would you want 132hp? If I were looking for a diesel I would want more than 132hp.
The diesel engines we have in our miltary hummers is only rated at 150hp and they haul around up to 10,000 lbs on the truck itself plus a trailer. Just imaging what 132hp diesel could do in a truck that weighs half of that.

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#640507 - 14/06/05 07:16 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Done

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#640508 - 14/06/05 07:31 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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show me one single petition from petitiononline.com, that's actually changed anything. And then I'll go sign the silly thing...

It's a waste of time. Nissan isn't in a hurry to bring a diesel here; nomoreso than any other manufacturer? Why? 'Cause the public perception is horrible (thanks GM...), and our diesel emissions rules mean they have to design/build an entirely new engine, to meet it. Nissan's too small of a company, to build a seperate engine for such a small niche market. Cry all you want; it's just not gonna' happen anytime soon.

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#640509 - 14/06/05 08:37 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Originally posted by porsche996:
show me one single petition from petitiononline.com, that's actually changed anything. And then I'll go sign the silly thing...

It's a waste of time. Nissan isn't in a hurry to bring a diesel here; nomoreso than any other manufacturer? Why? 'Cause the public perception is horrible (thanks GM...), and our diesel emissions rules mean they have to design/build an entirely new engine, to meet it. Nissan's too small of a company, to build a seperate engine for such a small niche market. Cry all you want; it's just not gonna' happen anytime soon.
Jeep did it, and I (almost) love them for it.

160hp, 300 ft/lbs of torque and 27 mpg on the highway....and lower CO2 emissions. 300 ft/lbs!!- imagine that crawling rocks.

No one here can even pretend to know what will happen in the next few years...perhaps hybrids will keep booming, perhaps fuel cells, perhaps diesels.

A few years back people thought hybrids took three days to get to 60mph, were tinny little two seaters with bicycle wheels, but look at the new civics and accords- they rival the gas only powered models with 50% better mph numbers.

If Nissan, or anyone else thinks people are going to keep putting up with 15 mpg they are seriously mistaken. Just look at GM's numbers. Sure the bulid quality is a factor, but if Jeep were to put the diesel in a Wrangler...that would be a great vehicle....and it would certainly sway me in that direction.

Just look at the posts here in the last couple of months- the #1 reason people sell X's is the gas milage. I think we are going to see a lot more diesels cropping up, and it would be great if Nissan looked in that direction.

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#640510 - 14/06/05 08:51 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Originally posted by XPatriot:
Just look at the posts here in the last couple of months- the #1 reason people sell X's is the gas milage. I think we are going to see a lot more diesels cropping up, and it would be great if Nissan looked in that direction.
Not that I'm arguing w/ you. I would absolutely love a diesel engine.

But, to play devil's advocate... You need to look back more than just a couple months; the #1 complaint about the Xterra, Frontier, Titan, Armada, and Pathfinder, is gas mileage. And it always has been. This isn't anything new on the Nissan front. The VP of Nissan North America was even quoted, back before the current gen. of Frontier & Xterra's came out, when bluntly asked about fuel economy, that it was NOT a concern in their design. They were concerned about power, for their engine. That's all.

That alone says Nissan, currently, couldn't give a rats ass about fuel economy. And who can blame them? They're hitting all-time sales highs, right now. And that's w/ their shibby gas mileage in darn near every vehicle they make.

I've wanted a diesel for years. I just don't think an online petition is going to make one rats ass-hair of a difference.

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#640511 - 14/06/05 09:43 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
Lincoln Offline
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Registered: 30/01/03
Posts: 3221
Loc: Wisconsin
Quote:
Originally posted by porsche996:
show me one single petition from petitiononline.com, that's actually changed anything. And then I'll go sign the silly thing...

It's a waste of time. Nissan isn't in a hurry to bring a diesel here; nomoreso than any other manufacturer? Why? 'Cause the public perception is horrible (thanks GM...), and our diesel emissions rules mean they have to design/build an entirely new engine, to meet it. Nissan's too small of a company, to build a seperate engine for such a small niche market. Cry all you want; it's just not gonna' happen anytime soon.
Nissan is bringing the Diesel to the Titan in the next year or so, why not the Xterra???
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#640512 - 14/06/05 09:50 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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SIGNED!!!!!!!!! Sometimes You just need more torque to turn tires in the mud....

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#640513 - 14/06/05 10:47 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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A co-worker just came back from Finland. His rental mini-wan while there had a diesel engine and a manual transmission. That almost makes the mini-van cool. Diesel are a lot more popular outside of North America.

Diesel gets my vote, but I will never run out and buy a Libby.

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#640514 - 14/06/05 11:23 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Registered: 31/01/03
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Loc: Bozeman MT, originally Detroit...
I dont know about everywhere else but right now diesel is running about $2.50 gal and regular unleaded is about $2.08. Kinda negates buying a diesel to save on fuel costs. I'm still signing the patition though.
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#640515 - 14/06/05 11:57 AM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
Lincoln Offline
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Registered: 30/01/03
Posts: 3221
Loc: Wisconsin
Quote:
Originally posted by Xterra Kid 2003:
I dont know about everywhere else but right now diesel is running about $2.50 gal and regular unleaded is about $2.08. Kinda negates buying a diesel to save on fuel costs. I'm still signing the patition though.
Not really, because you can run Diesels on Bio-Diesel or straight filtered Waste Vegatable oil (which is free).
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#640516 - 14/06/05 12:16 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lincoln:
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Originally posted by Xterra Kid 2003:
[b]I dont know about everywhere else but right now diesel is running about $2.50 gal and regular unleaded is about $2.08. Kinda negates buying a diesel to save on fuel costs. I'm still signing the patition though.
Not really, because you can run Diesels on Bio-Diesel or straight filtered Waste Vegatable oil (which is free).[/b]
say bye bye to your warrentty if you do that!

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#640517 - 14/06/05 12:27 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
Lincoln Offline
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Registered: 30/01/03
Posts: 3221
Loc: Wisconsin
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Originally posted by switchinggears:
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Originally posted by Lincoln:
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Originally posted by Xterra Kid 2003:
[b]I dont know about everywhere else but right now diesel is running about $2.50 gal and regular unleaded is about $2.08. Kinda negates buying a diesel to save on fuel costs. I'm still signing the patition though.
Not really, because you can run Diesels on Bio-Diesel or straight filtered Waste Vegatable oil (which is free).[/b]
say bye bye to your warrentty if you do that![/b]
True, just wait till your warranty is gone...or take the risk.

My dad has been doing it for 40,000 miles on a 1997 Passat and has had no problems.
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#640518 - 14/06/05 02:23 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Diesal will make up their hp with a crap loud of torque, BUt 132 hp seems low, how about 180 to 220 hp diesal engine, that sounds more resonable, and are u sure Military hummers use 150 hp engines, that sounds weak. smile

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#640519 - 14/06/05 03:22 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
Axle Offline
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Registered: 18/03/02
Posts: 1229
Loc: Fort Carson, CO
Quote:
Originally posted by Xterrarob04:
Diesal will make up their hp with a crap loud of torque, BUt 132 hp seems low, how about 180 to 220 hp diesal engine, that sounds more resonable, and are u sure Military hummers use 150 hp engines, that sounds weak. smile
Positive. I looked it up in the manual the other day. Don't know about the new generation hummers as I've never seen one but I hear they have a turbocharged diesel in them. The old powerplants though are detuned 5.2 and 5.6 NA diesels that are rated at 150 and 160 hp respectively.

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#640520 - 14/06/05 04:25 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Signed. Would have been a great thing.

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#640521 - 14/06/05 09:29 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
RJ Offline
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Registered: 09/04/03
Posts: 780
Loc: 100 Mile House, BC
Quote:
Originally posted by XPatriot:
Jeep did it, and I (almost) love them for it.

160hp, 300 ft/lbs of torque and 27 mpg on the highway....and lower CO2 emissions. 300 ft/lbs!!- imagine that crawling rocks.
Now why don't Jeep actually put it into something that's good at crawling? Imagine a diesel Rubicon!

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#640522 - 14/06/05 09:31 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
RJ Offline
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Registered: 09/04/03
Posts: 780
Loc: 100 Mile House, BC
Quote:
Originally posted by Xterrarob04:
Diesal will make up their hp with a crap loud of torque, BUt 132 hp seems low, how about 180 to 220 hp diesal engine, that sounds more resonable, and are u sure Military hummers use 150 hp engines, that sounds weak. smile
Think of diesel hp as "continous hp" versus a gasoline's "max hp".

You can work a diesel near its max hp and still last a decade. That's why they feel fast, because you're using more of the available power during normal driving (via high torque, low rpm).

When driving around our X at 2000 to 3000 rpm, we're making no more than 100 hp or so. The diesel will probably make its full 132 hp by 3000 rpm.

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#640523 - 14/06/05 09:53 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Registered: 02/04/03
Posts: 2163
Loc: LA (Lower Alabama)
Quote:
Originally posted by Xterra Kid 2003:
I dont know about everywhere else but right now diesel is running about $2.50 gal and regular unleaded is about $2.08. Kinda negates buying a diesel to save on fuel costs. I'm still signing the patition though.
Not to mention the requirements for diesel fuel to contain 15 ppm sulphur starting June 1, 2006, compared to today's standard of 500 ppm. Wait 'til you see how much more diesel costs than gasoline then.

Granted, I'd love a diesel, too. Torque rules off-road. But, by next year's low-sulphur standards, diesel will cost almost 50% more than gasoline.

Makes me glad I decided on an Xterra rather than an F-350 a couple years ago. laugh
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#640524 - 15/06/05 04:46 PM Re: Vote for Diesel Engines for all types of Xterra in USA
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Originally posted by Lincoln:
]Not really, because you can run Diesels on Bio-Diesel or straight filtered Waste Vegatable oil (which is free).[/QB]
biodiesel which in my area is over 3.00/gal......

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