If you picking... which would you rather start from scratch with... H3 or new X?

I was at the Philly car show last week... The H3 may be a band wagon truck, with people buying for the name, but i'll admit it, it was bad ass.

Hardly a good comparison since H3's cost double what an Xterra does.

Not exactly true, but i ment if you weren't paying for it, or they had the same price.

the H3 is about 9-10k more then an SE.

Where did you get your pricing info?

X - only hummer worth while is the 1

An article I recall reading in Four Wheeler. A well equiped H3 was up around 40K. As we all know, X's are around 20K right now.

I could be wrong, but that's about double.

That is like saying "Would you rather start with a Ford Taurus or a Ford Mustang?"

h3 is just a crappy american car that will probably break down, just like the h2 does. It is the most unreliable truck around.

"...buying for the name..." pretty much says it all, doesn't it? I think the majority of people who buy a Hummer buy it as a status symbol. I don't think that's true with the X.

I would get an X. Hummer is a status symbol and isn't really worth much off road (the H3). H1 was a bad ass truck, though.

A "well equiped" Xterra (what a magazine would consider well equipped) will run you around $30k or a little more. So now we're only talking 10k...

Anyways, I'm waiting to see the H3 in action, before making any assumptions. It suxs that it's IFS, but that figures. Front and rear lockers, great approach & departure angles, and about the same break-over angle as the Xterra. As long as they don't break down much (which is yet to be seen; it is a chevy, afterall), on paper, it'll be much more capable than an X, which it ought to be if it costs more.

Seems to be way too much penis envy around here by a lot of Xterra owners... Let's not get too over-optimistic about the Xterra. It's damn reliable, but it's not an offroading goddess by any stretch. The '05s will be better, but we'll have to wait and see until it (and its competition) are out, to really be able to compare.

Handjob or Blow job....

I vote this thread for stupidest question of the month.

what if you like both? (HJ & BJ)? I can't have one w/o the other.

GM already put the H3 through its paces on the Rubicon Trail, Review Here
They said it did well.

not to mention an impressive 4.03:1 low range box. stock 32s (like X and room for 33s like X). $29,999 base price.

Funny how well cars and trucks do when the manufacturer themselves put them through their paces.

I wonder what scores I would have got in college if I had graded my own exams.....

I am going to stick my neck out and say that i think this new Hummer is actually smaller than the new X.
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=31&threadID=10709&messageID=206342

Either way, a five cylinder motor???
225hp???

And then they want us to spend upwards of 35k to get a vehicle with a Hummer name on it??

Think I'd invest in the new X first.
You'd get reliability and what seems to be more truck for the money.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Claus Christensen:
[QB]Handjob or Blow job....

Yeah, the only place hummers have in my world, is in bed

Last year the Armada was about the least reliable new SUV on the market, so don't generalize too much.

Anyway, I'd probably opt for an '05 X over the H3, but unlike most of the people here I do actually like the H3 quite a bit (and it will be a bit more capable off-road than the '05 X, and quite a bit more than the '00-04 X).

I'd go for the X simply because of price. Gas mileage would be another reason. I'm sure the H3 at 4700 pds with an I5 engine is going to suck down gas.

And I still don't understand how people that claim to be off-roaders can knock the off-road ability of a Hummer, even if it's an H2 (or now the H3, which I'm sure will be great off-road). The stock H2 will eat an X (even modded) for breakfast, lunch, and dinner on pretty much any trail you throw at it. If you don't think so, you don't know crap about the design of the car. Regardless of whether "posers" drive most of them, they're still serious trucks.

X any day of the week. I don't "do" rap videos.

Depends on how modded it is - Desert_Rat's X would eat an H2 alive on any trail without breaking a sweat.

I agree with your basic premise, however. The only area I'd say the H2 would struggle (compared to an Xterra) is in tight areas - that damn thing is huge. The H3 eliminates that drawback, of course.

And I think a lot of people have a perception about the H2 based on most of its drivers, so they don't really look past that and see that it is a decent SUV (looks aside).

X all the way.

Hummers (2 & 3) are gay "around town" penis extensions.

yea as an H2 owner and previous X owner, the H2 will outwheel an X. Sorry, its just the truth of the matter. And look at the aftermarket response for the H2. Within months (not even) of the intro of the H2, places like SMA and Rancho and Trailmaster etc have tons of upgrades. Not to mention that the H3 will have the same aftermarket following no doubt. The X is a great truck, but it just takes so many add-ons to make it a truly trail worth rig, and lone behold it will still get horrible gas mileage (up till 04 year). The new X is a huge improvement (ie american rear meaning prob so many upgrades that will fit, and FINALLY no more torsion bars). we'll just have to see.