I should have read this before doing what i did...had I not been so impatienti would had done just fine, yes posts say what i needed to know thanks... i did dent the out side a little bit... bearly noticeable...trying to fit in pioneer 4way 6x9. However; what i found out after putting them in... is that you can actually cut the fence of the panel and the speaker would have the room necesary... i cutted the shape of the mid and high and it fitted without much damage, but... they are in. I donot recomend anyone to do this unless you know what you're doing, for i wouldn't do it again if i had known they wouldn't fit... now i know so i'll just get the ones that fit with no MODS!!!