Sorry. I was referring to WilMacs comment about honest debating. He said he tries, but Madman pisses him off. I was just saying that lowering your honesty makes your point weaker that is all. Even if you completely disagree with someone, using dishonest arguments doesn't help.

I think Ted Kennedy's recent comments are a good example of this. Making stuff up and spouting it off as truth just makes you look stupid. Unfortunately a lot of the Dems are doing this. Both sides do it all to often unfortunately.