Oh, if there is one thing that I do not want to be misunderstood here is what my political persuasion is.....I am definately not a liberal....I believe in capitalism, free markets, and other "conservative" economic policies and think the government is far too big and we are taxed far too much....none of which has any bearing on the original argument here....just seemed that some of you were inferring that I must be pinko to have the opinions expressed here....