Thanks lighting. Warmonger I just used that as an example and a bad one at that. In climbing we use what is called a z-pulley system where you use two pulleys to form a z with the rope. a light and effective block and tackle.a person can pull up another one with a lot less effort. Just a little cranky yesterday.

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Kevin
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