With all the CF'ers either enlightened or chased out, this is probably as far at this thread goes, maybe one more page.

I'm still not sure where Madman stands, though. His posts mentioned something about "neutrality" and being a "devil's advocate," and I never heard him say (since he proclaimed "neutrality") that the plane would fly. Maybe he did, but I've missed it. Bluesky, I think, is still "sticking to his guns".

But honestly, how much farther does this thread need to go? I mean, there's probably a dozen or two different analogies and tons of redundancy.