Jeff,

You say there can be no consensus....and that I'm dishonest for saying I felt there was.

You say I didn't discuss the pluses and minuses, but I did.

You say I said the only option was Shrock, and I didn't, again, before you even joined in, my initial statement was to the effect that it wasn't for every one, and mentioned the hidden winch issue.

In short, you say I did things I didn't do, and then go off on tangents ignoring the actual content of the posts.

Saying over and over that I can't feel that there's a consensus is a bit looney to start with.



Gotta go, we might have a liver!